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Yankee, Go Home!

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by Sierra Mike, Jan 19, 2003.

  1. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    From The Far Eastern Economic Review:

    Read all about it at Yankee, Go Home!

    Like I've said before, if the ROK really wants to face the DPRK head-on, then they should hold a referendum and vote to take peninsula security affairs into their own hands. Of course, that might put it in direct conflict of the political sort with the UN; the Security Council definitely wants the American contingent to stay.

    There's another matter of complexity which is not--and has never, to my mind--been adequately addressed. American troops can act like total nimrods in forward-deployed areas. I have no knowledge of anything in the ROK, but in Japan, I myself have seen US Marines drunk and disorderly--and in uniform. And in Japan, there are always stories of rapes and abuse at the hands of US soldiers and Marines, many of which are untrue--but some of which are actual fact. Usually, the military takes these cases very seriously and gives the offenders maximum punishment (UCMJ does not afford an individual a lot of leniency), but the sentences always seem "light" to the Japanese. If I were a garrison commander, I'd be all over my troops like flies on crap to ensure they didn't knowingly or unknowingly commit any crimes, not because it's illegal--we already know that--but because their actions have a direct and almost always deleterious effect on the US.

    All of this being said, we absolutely need to nurture our military relationships with the ROK and, especially, Japan. Those kids in the ROk have no idea how the real world works, and their antipathy toward US troops is hardly reflective of the reality of the situation. I very much doubt Washington is standing in the way of Seoul/Pyongyang patching things up, but I can feel pretty confident in saying the Pentagon, at the very least, wants the very best deal they can get. After all, pulling our soldiers out only to have to send them back in a couple of years doesn't make a lot of sense.

    Comments?

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  2. Swamp Fox

    Swamp Fox Veteran Member

    Well, they're like ours - with the Soviet Union gone, and, with China more interested in making money than making war, they still need a bogeyman, and the US is a convenient target.

    Let's face it, young people who are well fed and who have career prospects need to vent their anger somewhere, and I was like that a decade ago. I'm embarrassed at the things I said, and the arguments I got into, but that's just a stage in everyone's life. We should actually be happy that the South Koreans can afford to be like that, instead of starving to death or living in mud holes like their counterparts in Vietnam, North Korea, or other places.
     
  3. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    Really? And what were some of the things you said, Foo Fighter? :haha:

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  4. mikepd

    mikepd Veteran Member

    Interesting that the older generation still wants an American presence. As soon as their lifestyle is seriously threatened, watch the current young people change their tune. Boorish or illegal behavior should never be condoned. However, the current deployment ot American forces benefits both countries, imo.
     
  5. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    Oh, clearly it benefits both countries--we get to have a substantial forward-deployed presence, which is a great way to hold the upcoming Chinese hegemony in check, if nothing else.

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  6. mikepd

    mikepd Veteran Member

    While we will continue to buy goods from that upcoming Chinese hegemony thus contributing to the trade imbalance which is the subject for a different thread. Unless Japan changes it's economic policy very soon, the price will be so high, only a complete collapse will force them to change. Thus the Chinese will win by default. Time is on their side unless the Great Leader does something truly stupid. He is the only thing I can see that would keep the Chinese leadership up at night. That and trying to snarf great porn via P2P.
     
  7. ditch

    ditch Downunder Member

    Troops misbehaving while posted overseas is nothing new Steve. During WW11 the cry was "Over sexed, over paid and over here" from the Aust locals. The Americans had the cigarettes and the "Nylons" for the girls and they loved it. Probably similar thing happening in Korea although I doubt they suffer for lack of consumerables as we did after years of war.
    But I would be doing the same as you if I was in charge of the troops. Behave or get jumped on hard. Whether they see it this way or not I don't know, but they are seen as "guests" in Korea in the broad sense of the word and should behave accordingly. Not rape the girls, as has happened, and don't get drunk when in uniform. Thats not asking too much surely.
    The perception of the US govt by the Korean populace is significantly influenced by the behaviour of the troops stationed there. The importance of their behaviour being seen to be correct needs to be driven home to them.
     
  8. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    That aspect of military life did always piss me off, but you can't tell young men (and women) that they're steely-eyed killers for years and not expect them to act out the part. Still, it continues to annoy me to no end. It reflects poorly on America, and I hate it when a 20 year old PFC can suddenly be an instrument of foreign policy.

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