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Why Are We Still There

Discussion in 'Society and Culture' started by ShinyTop, May 30, 2018.

  1. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    Why is the United States still fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Our country and our soldiers deserve more than an unending war. We should have a definite goal set whenever we go to war. When that goal is met we come home. If it is not met then we have to determine whether it is still possible and then reassess.

    The trouble is every reassessment made in the last 14 years has been for just a little more, another billion or two … a few more lives. Yes, we honor the fallen and justly call them heroes. But wouldn’t a better honor yet be to not send them to wars we cannot win. Wouldn’t we honor their sacrifice better by having it mean more than another politician afraid to appear weak by being strong enough to end the loss of life and the dollars spent on unwinnable war.

    The Pentagon papers showed that in 1968 the Johnson administration knew the Vietnam War was unwinnable. Yet from mid 1968 to the end of the war we lost half of the 58,000 lives we spent. All because our leaders were too weak to be strong enough to admit to bad choices.

    Are we doing the same thing again? What has changed about the tribal nature of Afghanistan in 14 years that make the powers that be think it is winnable? What has changed about the religious branches of Islam in Iraq that make those same powers think we can impose democracy?

    Why aren’t the wars a continuing subject of protest on college campuses? They protest sexual inequality, they protest student loan debt. Are our students not strong enough to add these wars to their protest? Or is it only because with no draft it is not a threat to their plans?

    In November we vote. It is time to make the vote about those who allow these wars to continue by their weakness. We take pride in our fighting men. I would once again like to take pride in the goals and actions of my country.
  2. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Rick. Didn't you hear? Obama got us out from both and why he received a Nobel Peace Prize, days in to his administration.
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  3. Arc

    Arc Full Member

    Regarding Afghanistan:

    We are still there for political and economic reasons. That's it. It drags on because the public and the media doesn't care and our government doesn't "sell" or advertise it. Plus our casualties are not high enough to break the conscious of those entities.

    We absolutely positively should have left Afghanistan in 2002. In totality it's about that simple. A chapter or article could explain it.

    We will not leave in the foreseeable future. Meanwhile, the Taliban are amazingly starting to acquire growing support from Afghans of the general population that previously hated them. This is especially demonstrated with the background of increasing unrest and a dramatic escalation of violence in Kabul. All happening in the shadow of no confidence in the current government and leadership.

    As for Iraq, it would take a book to explain it--probably in a two-book series.
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2018
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