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Where is Jane Fonda?

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by bruzzes, Nov 9, 2002.

  1. bruzzes

    bruzzes Truthslayer

  2. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Wow, only half a million people
    protested. I guess the world is
    strongly united behind Mr. Bush
    in his misguided quest for glory.

    Half a million people in one place
    asking for peace. Where are all
    the rallies with a half a million
    people supporting the war?

    Hey, you don't suppose all those
    people protesing the war really
    mean it, do you? I mean, if they
    are upset at us for proposing the
    war, will they hate us if we go?
    Can we really allow this many
    more people to dislike us?
  3. Coot

    Coot Passed Away January 7, 2010

    Ken, I cannot for the life of me fathom what this obsession is you have with people disliking us...and FWIW, 500,000 people isn't very many at all on a continental scale.
  4. DSL Dan

    DSL Dan Registered User

    Need we read any further? Sounds like a collection of malcontents from all over, and BTW what is the connection between protesting a <u>unanimous</u> (15-0) U.N. resolution and singing Communist anthems? Do you think maybe these guys have an agenda that goes far beyond Iraq? :rolleyes:
  5. jamming

    jamming Banned

    Oh my God! The Communists took over the hippies! No wonder they lost the Cold War. Didn't you read the article Ken, this was planned weeks ago to protest globalization, they just took up the other because it happened the day before.
  6. EMIG

    EMIG Yup

    Pro-war rallies are in extremely poor taste, IMHO. I found the meatheads chanting "U-S-A" on the evening news during the first war with Iraq disturbing. And I feel military action was justified in that case.
  7. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    <small>Coot said:</small>
    Absolutely Coot, 500,000 people is a lot smaller than the population
    of some of our cities. Of course, to see 500,000 people in one place
    agreeing on something is completely different.

    My obsession with people liking us stems from the fact that with
    every 100,000 people who hate us, we get one Mohammed Atta.
    If we can reduce the overall number of people who despise us,
    we might be able to reduce the *Atta factor.

    <small>Dan said:</small>
    I submit, whenever 500,000 people protest something, we should
    probably pay attention. As I have said before, the Nazi party only
    had a few thousand members in 1932.


    It really doesn't matter what the protest was originally planned for.
    They managed to turn out 500,000 people. To put things in perspective,
    the Martin Luther King "I have a dream" rally drew 250,000. I not sure how
    many men went to the Million Man March but I don't think it was as large.


    It's nice to have you with us. Your perspective is always interesting.
    My point is 500,000 people is 500,000 people. That is more than we
    sent in Desert Storm. That's a lot of people.

    <small>* Please note the 100,000 to 1 ratio is my own guess, please do not ask
    me for a link. The number may be higher or lower. Your mileage may vary.
    Not legal in all areas or in areas where other conditions apply. If in doubt,
    seek counsel. If you are still in doubt get help. Hey, coins are cheap, flip
    a coin. That is all.</small>
  8. Coot

    Coot Passed Away January 7, 2010

    Okay...I'm still at a loss. 500,000 people get together to protest globalization and, 'oh by the way, no sneaky sneaky attacking Iraq'. Your concern is that if they're pissed off at us, they might fly a plane into a building. Now what do we do...whatever the hell they want us to do?

    That is utterly absurd. You actually make a stronger point for totally ignoring the pinheads. This country is truly sunk when and if a bunch of European malcontents start dictating our policies for us. 500,000 in one place for one purpose sounds more like a culture you'd find in petrie dish.
  9. Misu

    Misu Hey, I saw that.

    So half a million european hippies are against the US going in and bombing Iraq. Maybe they'd feel different if a few of crazy terrorists fly 3 planes loaded with innocent europeans into the Eiffel Tower, the Coliseum, and the Leaning Tower of Piza, and fly a 4th plane into the ground for good measure - and then have Saddam Hussein applaud that action...?

    Let's drop off a few of the terrorists we're currently holding in Guantanemo in Europe with the keys to a couple of airliners - I'm sure those protestors will change their tune real quick.
  10. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    You said it, Misu.

    As a matter of fact, I'd like to know what happened to those Palestinians who were holding people hostages at the Nativity Church. Remember them?

    Few European countries gave them amnesty.

  11. fritzmp

    fritzmp Fire Fire For Effect

    That's just too funny and true and sad all at the same time.

    LOL :thumbsup:
  12. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Ah well, perhaps you're right. What possible significance
    could a half a million people protesting anything have?

    For the sake of argument, at what number do we start
    taking these protests seriously?

    Also, do they need to be in the same location, or can
    they protest from wherever they are located and still
    be counted?

    So folks, if a half a million "crazies" doesn't get your
    attention, would a million or maybe two? I would like
    to remind you it only took 19 on 9-11.

    <small>Let me ask you. How big and dark does the handwriting have to be
    on the wall before you can see it? With all apologies up front, what
    was it like to be Jewish and living in Berlin in late 1937? Anybody?</small>
  13. jamming

    jamming Banned

    I would be more impressed if this had been organized as a war protest and not an ad hoc change of purpose, in that way I cannot in good concious assume that they would of been as motivated to be there.

    Comparing the half a Million Protesters to Kings March BTW, was disingenuous as those protesters had been beaten and could loose their jobs by participating in those marches, compared to a long holiday in Italy. Also 250,000 people in 1960's is equal to about 650,000 today, as a percentage of world population.
  14. bruzzes

    bruzzes Truthslayer

    With all apologies up front, the people of Iraq and Iran ARE living under the same conditions as the Jews of Germany in the 1930's.
    Maybe the US and the world have finally gotten it right this time.

    Instead of waiting for <strike>Hitler</strike> Saddam to make his move, we are interceding before thousands of innocent people starve to death or are jailed and executed by that strikingly familiar dictator.

    With all respect, Ken, I seem to hear the voice of Chamberlain all over again. His intentions were meant to avoid war, yet only enabled the appeasement and inevitable consequences that killed millions.

    I too would wish to avoid war, and I believe deeply that our present course DOES give that option.
    War is not inevitable here. If Saddam capitulates, then we have done a great service to the people of Iraq.
    It is the people of Iraq that you care about , is it not?

    The positioning in the UN and the positioning of military troops is merely common sense to protect our boys if war becomes necessary. Are you sure you are not PRE-DISPOSING an ultimate conclusion before it even exists?

    The jews of Germany went though HELL ignored by the world.
    Maybe this time a similar people can be liberated before many more die.
  15. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Jim and Bruzzes,

    Both of you posted great points, as usual.


    You are correct in pointing out the huge difference between the
    Civil Rights of the 60's and the protests of today. There was a lot
    more for the protestors in Washington to lose.

    As to the numbers being adjusted for population, I can't buy that.
    I would have to say the apathy factor has also risen.

    Even if the "theme" of the protest was changed at the "last minute"
    I would venture to guess almost everybody who showed is against
    military action. I don't they all would have come if it was a protest
    for the revival of Nazi principles.


    You bring up an interesting parallel between 1930's Nazi Germany
    and the people of Iraq. I am not against helping the people of Iraq,
    I don't think we can stop there or that the best way to effect change
    is with a military assault.

    Are we saying the people of Iran aren't faced with the same difficulties?
    Even with their move towards moderation, what makes them any less of
    a threat to our way of life? Don't we strongly suspect them of supporting
    terrorism? What about Yemen? Algeria is awash in terrorism. We can ignore
    this because?

    I am in complete agreement with you, something needs to be done. My
    question is, could there be a better way to spend a kabillion dollars than
    by blowing up this, that and the other thing. <small>We'll just end up rebuilding it anyway.</small>

    And, even if we do march right through Iraq, what next? Are we going
    to continue fighting every country from here to China? We're going to
    be awfully tired and broke by the time we get finished. What I can't
    see is how we would be better off.
  16. bruzzes

    bruzzes Truthslayer

    As I posted here, war is not inevitable.


    A fairly bloodless coup would serve even better.
    I think we all assume to much.
  17. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Yes, I read that. If Russia could make
    this happen, everybody wins. I don't
    think I would mind not always being
    the heavy.

    It would be nice if someone else had
    to pick up the responsibility once in a

    I would love to see the US and Russia
    become allies. Between us, we could
    cause some serious changes.
  18. bruzzes

    bruzzes Truthslayer

    I wish so much to join you in your ideals also Ken.
    I know it is hard to be the only one left to show opposite viewpoints. I wish you had some allies also.

    I have passed that "Ideal Stage" in my life. I still yearn for peace and brotherhood, but sometimes one has to be a little pessimistic in order to create a balance between the two.

    Keep on keeping on.:)
  19. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    Not for nothin', but the US deployed about 500,000 troops for ODS.

  20. pupowski

    pupowski Banned

    The conditions of Iraq or Iran are not our responsibility, the US is. Besides, this is not a humanitarian endeavor, and it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. I suggest that those who dismiss all opposition, domestic or foreign, as "hippies", "communists", etc. , are being profoundly short sighted and closed minded. I, for one, believe patriotism requires me to resist the excesses of this extremist cabal, not excuse it.

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