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What is wrong with Gentrification?

Discussion in 'Society and Culture' started by ethics, Feb 21, 2015.

  1. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    A Liberal dirty word for as long as I've lived in NYC and I still don't get why it's bad.
    I see youngsters who never lived here in the shit hole that NYC used to be (70's and 80's) and are lamenting how those days brought out creativity (assuming they meant graffiti everywhere) and other bullshit, foofoo shit.

    But if you are not from NYC you won't know what's happening in one of the boroughs (Brooklyn) and I think to better understand it, I need to offer you a map.

    Now, you might already know that most of the work (white color) is in the island of Manhattan, but Manhattan is way too pricey for most Middle to Upper Middle Class. So what do people do when they want to work in Manhattan but not sacrifice too much of their day to the commute? They try to get something near it.

    Here's a time map of how many minutes it takes to get you in to Manhattan: The New York Times > New York Region > Image > Travel Times on Commuter Rail


    Manhattan is in the middle, Brooklyn to the right bottom and NJ to the left. Weehawken can be just as expensive as Manhattan and Williamsburg, Brooklyn, which used to be a shit stain in Brooklyn is now having rent ranges that are rivaling Manhattan as well.
    This is downtown Manhattan:
    And this is Brooklyn BY Manhattan:


    Now here's the thing, Williamsburg got gentrified by hipsters and people went ape shit because... Get this, you've heard of Bed Sty? Used to be one of the worst neighborhoods in entire NYC, but as of about 5 years ago, they started getting gentrified as well. Greenpoint used to be a Polish shit hole, now? Not so much.

    But getting back to the whole issue of why gentrification is so bad? Apparently, it's not. This is from this past week's The Economist:

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  2. Biker

    Biker Administrator Staff Member

  3. Andy


    We have sort of the same thing happening down here right next to me in Jersey.

    Asbury Park, 100 years ago, was the jewel of the NJ seaboard.

    Then the 50's 60's and 70's happened.

    It went from an upscale town that was a tourist destination (and almost had a real-life gambling casino) and a place you could park in one spot and walk around all day shopping in actual mom-and-pop shops and honest-to-god Department Stores (Steinbachs' and Macy's IIRC) to an absolute shit-hole of a place where you didn't dare drive through at night, let alone in the daytime somewhere in the early 80's to late 90's due to gangs, and all-around trashy people living there in squalor. If you did dare go to the Stone Pony at night, you didn't go alone, or without a half-a-dozen wingmen.

    The last 10 years or so, it has had a serious turnaround, as it has become somewhat of the San Francisco of the East Coast, in the respect that a bunch of gay businessmen and women got smart, bought out entire blocks CHEAP, fixed them up and turned almost the whole city around.

    Now there are several hotspots where it's safe to go to again at night, and even talk of actually making the boardwalk there (as seen in such shows as Sopranos' movies like Eddie and the Cruisers and several Woody Allen flicks) worth actually going to again.
  4. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Gentrification to whites: better neighborhood, fair market value for houses, better schools, safety.
    Gentrification to blacks: The whites are coming.
  5. Allene

    Allene Registered User

    Gentrification isn't anything I get hot and bothered over, but one of the side effects of this process is that people who work there (waitstaff, bartenders, etc.) cannot afford to live there and are often forced to travel a long way to get to work. This happened when they started gentrifying Park City back in the early 80s. That ski resort is up in the mountains above Salt Lake City. People had to commute from Salt Lake, and that can be dicey in the winter.

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