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Well, I'll Be Damned!

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by Sierra Mike, Jan 11, 2003.

  1. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    It appears while Nazi Germany had a hero in Nanjing in the guise of John Rabe, it appears that Japan had their own version in Europe...

    Read all about it at Profile In Courage

  2. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    One book, howeverChiune: In Search of Sugihara, by Boston University sociology and religion professor Hillel Levinehas become a touchstone for controversy. Part biography, part spiritual quest, Chiune ponders the way history forces an ordinary man to make extraordinary choices. Levine sees heroism in Sugihara's defiant issuance of visas, yet his version of Sugihara remains a complex and flawed creaturea man with a weakness for women and wine, and whose job included spying on Russia.

    Woopeee. So he spied ON Russia, what's the big deal for the Japanese and this silly lawsuit, even if this is true.

    And what's wrong with having a weakness for women?
  3. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    Nothing that's necessarily germane to the story of the man's deeds. Just tossed in, perhaps, by the author in a bid to generate more controversy.

  4. IamZed

    IamZed ...

    This talk is continuously confusing. When is it too late to set up a hide out for Ann Frank?
  5. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    Zed, I have no idea what you're confused about. A Japanese national apparently saved several thousand Jews, and the story is not very well known. Hence the article, and perhaps a deserved footnote in history.

  6. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    <blockquote>The good that men do lives beyond them, and nowhere is this made more poignantly clear than in "Sugihara: Conspiracy of Kindness," the story of a Japanese diplomat in Lithuania during World War II who issued life-saving visas to desperate Jews. The PBS documentary is timed to coincide with Holocaust Day (Thursday, 9-10:30 p.m. EDT, check local listings). But it would be a moving and mysterious story to watch at any time, as it explores the question of what gives some people the heart to know, and do, what is decent.</blockquote>
    <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/sugihara/">
    Finally a tribute to a man who deserved it. </a>

    Check out the trailer from the page.
  7. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Not sure how many of you have seen this program but it was remarkable not just with the information on Sugihara but also had plenty of history lessons.

    For example, in the topic of Japanese-Jew relationships, it was a Jew, an American one, who financed gave a loan to the Japanese for their Russo-Japanese war. Whats remarkable is that the Japanese (Takahashi) got a bunch of rejections from all European parties in Europe. Jacob Shiff, angered by the Pogroms perpetrated by the Russiansand more specifically, the one that occurred at the city of Kishinev, wanted the Japanese to kick Russians asses. $200 million dollars was lent out to the Japanesea enormous amount back then and Japanese did win.

    In the pronoun of no good deed goes unpunished, it was this gesture that lead many Japanese to believe (incorrectly) in the myth of the power held by the Jews.

    Another breathtaking fact is how the founder of Nissan and Toshiba (Iukawa) part of the industrialists called the Manchurian Factionwanted to import 300,000 Jewish refugees to develop a homeland in Manchuria. Of course, this was a top-secret plan. Why? There were a few reasons. First is that the Industrials (in opposition to the imperialists) were a bit miffed by the treatment of Jews in Nazi Germany. Japanese couldnt design a paper box back then and anything they made was dreck. Japanese knew about educated Jewsarchitects, engineers, scientists, etc -- and wanted to populate Manchuria with a quality people, or else lose both, the land of Manchuria, and their plan to create an empire via industrialization vs. militarism.

    Heres where things get interesting.

    Tamora, a Japanese emissary came to an American Rabbi (who was the leader of American Jewish Congress at the time) and said, we will offer our country to hundreds of thousands of Jews, they dont need money, visas, passports, or anything but themselves. We are willing to save them. Weiss politely threw him out.
    Weiss was in the mindset that if things get unbearable for Jews, America will open its borders to them or the Brits will open Palestine. Neither Churchill nor Roosevelt open what Weiss thought they would.

    Of course, Weiss sent a letter with a reconsideration of the deal, but by then the Japanese military were in charge of the government and the plans to populate Manchuria with Jews were scrapped.

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