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The Liberal Media: Conspiracy, or Conservative Myth?

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by Techie2000, Dec 12, 2002.

  1. Techie2000

    Techie2000 The crowd would sing:

    I'm curious what everyone's thoughts on the liberal media are. Personally I find in recent years the media starting to lean a little more to the right than in the past, course there's always Phil Donahue...:)
     
  2. Steve

    Steve Is that it, then?

    Mainstream American media will lean whichever way the money is leaning. Period.
     
  3. tke711

    tke711 Oink Oink Staff Member

    I think it really depends on the type of media we are talking about. Are we talking about National TV News, Local TV News, National Newspapers, Local Newspapers, National Radio, Local Radio?
     
  4. Steve

    Steve Is that it, then?

    On a related, side note, I read a couple of days ago about the network news shows losing viewers at approximately the same rate as the nationwide death rate.

    Seems the average age of a network news program viewer is somewhere around 65.
     
  5. Ravenink

    Ravenink Veteran Member

    liberals control the television (with the exception of fox news)
    conservatives control the airwaves (with a few exceptions.)

    just my perception of things.
     
  6. drslash

    drslash It's all about the beer

    Conspiracy, or Conservative Myth?

    I don't think either describes the situation the best. The far right claims conspiracy and the far left claims myth. There is no question that there are many liberals that are reporters, news anchors, and talk show hosts. There are conservatives as well, just not as many. This alone does put a bit of a slant on how things get reported and analyzed. Since the advent of Fox news and the Benard Goldberg book, "Bias", I have noticed that things in the media overall have changed a bit. One striking example of change was Rush Limbaugh doing commentary with Tom Brokaw on NBC's election coverage. I think the viewing public likes the Crossfire, Buchanan and Press, and Hannity and Colmes style with both sides represented. Chris Matthews strives for balance and Bill O'Riley tries for balance but mostly pushes just his own stance. To be honest I can't really say if the nightly Network (ABC, CBS, and NBC) news broadcasts have changed at all. I have not watched one for at least 5 years.
     
  7. Copzilla

    Copzilla dangerous animal Staff Member

    You know, Fox was BORN because of the public demand for it though. It -is- a conservative network, but if it weren't in demand, then it wouldn't have survived.

    Like O'Reilly - I'll agree somewhat that O'Reilly pushes his agenda, his agenda is largely subscribed to. If you want to know how moderate conservatives think, listen to him. He's not even a radical conservative. I don't always agree with everything he says, but he's not a hatemonger because he wants to see Jesse Jackson's books. He just wants to know which companies that blowhard is blackmailing for donations. He's not a demon for being a conservative like some of the liberals like to say.

    Point being though, that Fox is successful <B>because</B> of the liberal bias in the other networks.
     
  8. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Nicely summed up.

    This is exactly the reason for the "media going more right" supply and demand is a wonderful thing.

    On a personal level, before 9.11.01, I used to be a NYT subscriber for about 11 years, I believe. Some of it was good writing, I certainly enjoyed a lot of articles, even though I didn't agree with many.

    After 9.11.01 happened, it sort of opened my eyes on my beliefs but instead of being along with my own views, NYT went another notch left (if that was possible). That's when I cancelled, and extended my subscription to WSJ for another 3 years (twice as much in money and no weekend editions).

    On a macro level, it's happening all across the media and across the country. People are finally getting fed up.

    Now, that's not to say WSJ or FOX are always right, heck I catch the same amount of BS as I did on NYT, on similar issues. However, there was a certain need for this.
     
  9. Coot

    Coot Passed Away January 7, 2010

    Precisely, mainstream network news is fighting over the scraps in the ratings these days....Jennings, Brokaw....Savage and Couric. No doubt some of this is due to all the other outlets, but as was pointed out, the shift to the right by some outlets has a substantial following. With ABC News and CNN talking merger, it's pretty obvious that as fairly likeminded liberal outlets, they aren't holding their own very well, and merger is their best solution.

    As a conservative, I find that the right leaning news sources have their fair of BS to wade through as well, it's just not as big a pain in the ass to do it ;)
     
  10. Basilio

    Basilio Banned

    If one puts this in proper perspective the media is not quite liberal, but rather liberal-conservative and in some cases simply conservative. The agenda is generally to the right....
    After all, there is no real public television in the United States unlike Canada, France, Europe and many parts of the World, Congress purposely starved PBS of public funds to they can rely on the private sector. The private sector focuses on its agenda, rather than the public domain, so I would not use the term conservative but rather corporate rather than public oriented or to the Left as some may claim.
    If the media were left-leaning, in a true sense, it would mean that the corporate moguls who own the networks allow their journalists free reign... That is not the case and we hardly hear from unions on American networks.... And organized labor is part of the Left, though not communist in most cases, they are moderate Left and they are essentially excluded. So that tells you the media is essentially "conservative" with sprinkling of liberal ideas, or Liberal-Conservative, but not really Liberal in the sense that some conservatives claim... And remember there is a different between being a fiscal conservative and a social conservative....
     
  11. Sir Joseph

    Sir Joseph Registered User

    When was the last time you watched PBS? That thing is so left that if it would be any more left it would be right. (or something like that)

    Most media outlets are indeed liberal. Quite frankly I don't see how anybody can even try to refute that fact.
     
  12. HaYwIrE

    HaYwIrE Banned

    Nuff said. :_
     
  13. yazdzik

    yazdzik Veteran Member

    Dear Friends,
    I am never sure what constitutes a liberal or conservative in a world where there are practically no real strict constructionists.
    Nonetheless, I feel compelled to state that until the media report facts, tainted as little as possible by the reporter, little hard news is heard.
    Every time one of you links to an article about a law case, I read the article, then the case. I almost never have the feeling that the writer has read the same case. Why not report what the court ruled, what el quaeda is, what happened to the bicycle thief in Nigeria, and not how one feels, or how others are supposed to feel about the topic.
    Liberalism is sort of Puritanism with a dollop of socialism to relieve the guilt.
    Conservatism today has ceased to exist - we have right wing liberals, to wit, people of "old-fashioned" morals wishing to have the government, à la the liberals, enforce their morality.
    So, it seems that the socialist liberals and the anti-sex liberals hate each other.
    Why not report, without the bias of either, the facts?
    Can anyone guess at a possible correlation between the abominable writing in the so-called newspapers and the general decline in literacy? I care not a shit which illiterate is wagging which end of what dog, but would be grateful for a Astles style paper, where morals were directly asserted, or a fact sheet, with not even the hint of ethical bias, but what we have now is the cheapest sort of pseudo-journalism, pandering to bigots of all persuasions, wherein few can discern the actual events being described.
    If one has to check sources, of what earthly use is the newsrag?

    All good wishes,
    Yazdzik
     
  14. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    Martin, tell the brand and an address. As soon as I get my next job I would consider it a service to this forum to send you a case of your favorite malt.
     
  15. Coot

    Coot Passed Away January 7, 2010

    Damn Martin, you're on a roll tonight. Can I get you another single malt...or even a 50 year old blended?

    Edit:
    Dang...Shiny beat me to it! Consider it my privilege to concur with my esteemed likewise hairless colleague.
     
  16. Jedi Writer

    Jedi Writer Guest

    Mainstream straight news media such as the AP, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Washington Post, and straight news reporting programs such as the evening news are very liberal biased.

    Talk radio is very much to the right.

    If we are speaking about talking heads news programs such as the O'Reilly Factor they too are dominated by the right.

    But in general the news that the public relies upon most for its day-to-day information is dominated by liberal biased reporting.
     
  17. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Is this a surprise when our Colleges are very left in teaching our current and future journalists?
     
  18. yazdzik

    yazdzik Veteran Member

    Actually, eth, that's good news. I was unaware that they were teaching anything.
     
  19. Sir Joseph

    Sir Joseph Registered User

    I always like to say that college students are miseducated. They receive an education, so I rightfully can't say they're uneducated.
     
  20. jamming

    jamming Banned

    anyone who has dealt with Journalist, has to realize how under educated they are. There is no doubt if you have ever had personal knowledge of a news story and then read the Journalists actual account of the story. It is amazing if they get more than half of it right.
     

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