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The American Education System: Should college be free?

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by Techie2000, Nov 10, 2002.

  1. Techie2000

    Techie2000 The crowd would sing:

    We complain about how college is expensive, and how the American tends to be undereducated, so why not make college free for the equivelant of going for 16 semesters (8 years) full time. It seems logical, because then it could make it easier for students to get their education, and be more successful in the work force. What do you think?
     
  2. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Where would finances for schools come from?
     
  3. jamming

    jamming Banned

    Why not add a year to High School so they have more time to get it right? Then maybe a HS Diploma would mean something again.
     
  4. John R. Beanham

    John R. Beanham Typical Aussie Male

    Sir Joseph,


    "b) College should not be free. If it becomes free, it will become as terrible as the US Public School system."



    In Australia, up to the early '70s, the rich students paid full fees and the poor students had the opportunity of gaining a Government Scholarship that covered the fees.

    At that time we elected a socialist government and they immediately abolished ALL university fees. The idea was that if you passed the standard you got a free university education. They then proceeded to LOWER the standard so that any dunce that could not read and write could still get into Uni. Our best University, University of Melbourne, has 'Remedial English' classes for new students.

    When we threw out the socialists, they bought in a deferred student contribution that kicked in after leaving Uni and reaching a minimum annual income. This has been gradually increased and will eventually cover the entire cost.

    I am sure that your education system, at all levels is about the same as Australia - a bloody disgrace!


    John.
     
  5. Sir Joseph

    Sir Joseph Registered User

    John,
    Agreed. I also think people don't realize that college is not a right, it's a privilege. Furthermore, if I'm paying for something, I will probably try harder versus the same program that I'm getting for free.
    I can see no reason how it is even feasible for the US to offer free college. In New York State, NYPIRG (the NY commie school group) is trying to do two things:
    1) lower tuition for all.
    2) increase financial aid for all (including illegals)
    They don't understand that doing both is impossible. But then again, it's hard to argue with them. I'm an evil capitalist.
     
  6. EMIG

    EMIG Yup

    The problem is not lack of access to higher education. The problem is dismal primary and secondary education. Making college free won't help.
     
  7. RRedline

    RRedline Veteran MMember

    Sure, and we could make medical services free for every one too. It's an interesting idea, but where does it end?

    Making things like college free really isn't making anything "free." It just means redistributing everyone's money in the form of more taxes. I HATE TAXES. I abso-fucking-lutely hate taxes. :) Why should I have to dish out more of my paycheck every other week just so someone else can spend it? What about someone who never goes to college? Why should they have to pay this extra tax? I know your idea sounds good, and it is good to many people. However, it isn't good to me, and it isn't good for a lot of other people.

    People have financial aid and low interest loans available to them. I still have five more years of monthly payments to pay off my school debt. I don't see anything wrong with the way it is now, as long as nobody is denied these low interest loans.

    I don't like the idea of government taking all of my money and spending it for me. It is that simple. Take what you need to protect me, maintain roads, etc. and leave the rest alone. That is my attitude when it comes to the relationship between my wallet and my government. It's also why I am registered republican. I don't want to live in a freaking nanny state!
     
  8. DSL Dan

    DSL Dan Registered User

    The tuition for my daughter's undergraduate degree at Cal State never exceeded $1000/semester. I thought that was very reasonable in that we had a stake in it but not an onerous expense--kinda like a co-pay for health insurance.
     
  9. mikeky

    mikeky Member

    I might see waiving state-supported school tuition for those that maintain a 3.0 (out of 4) or better average. Might provide motivation for those in school to do better, and those that want to go part time to be able to without cost as long as they maintain a good average.
     
  10. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    I would agree if I thought grades were real. I think establishing a grade point for free tuition would further pressure schools to inflate grades.
     
  11. pupowski

    pupowski Banned

    For many students receiving Pell grants, government scholarships, and other subsidies, college is free, at least at the CC level. Success in College or the work force is predicated upon motivation, ability, and responsibility, not access to freebies. The US lowered the financial barriers to higher education with the great society programs, and the value of many degrees plummeted. Higher Education is a rationed commodity, and cost is one of the tools to balance supply and demand. Tuition only covers part of the cost in most public universities, which generally have a large underlying subsidy, especially in the sciences.
     
  12. immortal one

    immortal one 501st Geronimo

    Start emptying the cells on the death rows by nationally carrying out the sentences that have been handed down, and we'll have more than enough money to build schools, and educate anyone who wants it.

    If the incarcerated desire an education, let them wait until they are released, and then go out and bust their asses and pay for their education just like we did.

    We work every day, and damn hard too. We pay our share of taxes, and our children receive a second rate education, but criminals can get their degree for free...and at our expense. The criminals have proven their worth to society. Do they deserve a better education than our children? I think not.

    Our children deserve better.
     

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