As you can see I started this response in the Nambla thread. By the time I hauled my butt out of bed this AM everybody had pretty much said what needed to be said about the repugnance of their beliefs. And Yazdzik had pretty much covered any legal points that I could not begin to express. But I was not comfortable with the attack on the ACLU. Haywire's post left one to think the ACLU was going to defend people who committed these acts and I wanted to state that was not how I read it. This post is more to open a thread about the ACLU separate from this one issue. I am not for Nambla or do I agree with anything they stand for from my understanding of that. And I will not visit their web site. But it needs to be pointed out that the ACLU is not defending their beliefs and I did not see that they are defending anybody who sexually assaulted a child. They are defending Nambla's right to state their beliefs. Maybe we should start a thread about the ACLU and that will make me study a lot. But one of my favorite movies is "The American President" even though I disagree with the politics of the fictional president a lot. But in the speech at the end of the movie Andrew Shepherd makes some very good points that to me is what American freedom is about and I think they apply here: So the dilemma of the ACLU in my mind is I should support it. But they support so many causes that I do not that I am not a member. But they are a lot like a former member of this board, his politics were not often practical, but he served a purpose in reminding us where we should want to end up. The ACLU does that a lot. Haywire, the Bill of Rights exists to protect all of our rights as it should. You stand shielded by it when you look at and post the pictures you post here. Many are against even that level of what they call pornography. Before you speak too harshly against the ACLU you should thank them for the freedoms you have. They have been in the forefront of many a fight to protect things we agree with.