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Ted Cruz

Discussion in 'Society and Culture' started by Sierra Mike, Oct 21, 2013.

  1. Biker

    Biker Administrator Staff Member

    And one wonders why the US is so popular these days. I present Exhibit A.
  2. Andy


    And here i thought all along all of the shithole countries of the world loved us for the billions in "aid" we flushed away trying to make theim our friends.
  3. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    I happen to agree with Greg's sentiment, in this perspective. We need to put the political house in order, and that's going to take a few years of painful transition. Foreign nationals won't like it a bit, but it's got to be done. And besides, they hate us when we get involved in their affairs, why should they be treated any differently in this regard?
  4. Biker

    Biker Administrator Staff Member

    There's butting in, and then there's screwing things up bad enough to where trying to get business done in the US is made even more difficult than it already is. I've been involved in getting something set up in the US through AAFES over the past couple of months and all the BS in Washington has almost made getting a deal done next to impossible.
  5. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    So let's not change anything--that should help, right?
  6. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    That's not the point and the attitude of 'MERICA!!! is just retarded. You CAN do two things at once, we once did.
  7. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    What's not the point? The fact that political gridlock needs to be changed? I see Cruz as a catalyst to do just that.
  8. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Addressing the whole fuck everyone else attitude.
  9. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    Well look, that's already prevalent in the government of transparency today, what with the NSA going wild and conducting espionage against our allies...and being dumb enough to be caught doing it. I rather suspect the notional advances of Cruz, the Tea Party (such as what it might be), Rubio, even that weirdo Rand Paul, are quite secondary to what's going on inside the government we have today. Right?
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  10. Copzilla

    Copzilla dangerous animal Staff Member

    It is very secondary, but if you listen to the screaming of lefties, it's the only thing.

    Me, I prefer to sift through the propaganda and realize that Cruz is actually doing a service, calling out the old Republicans, and making conservatism conservative again.
  11. Greg

    Greg Full Member

    Thank you. And if we're going to be hated if we get involved, and hated if we don't get involved, then the least we can do is quit sending all the foreign aid. Let them hate us for not bribing them to do our bidding. (Doesn't seem to be working anyway.)

    Exactly. At present we don't even know if he'll be involved in the 2016 race, but he's a contender.

    It appears to me that the two parties have become so polarized that there is no middle ground, there is no taking prisoners. The only objective is to kill the enemy and win the war to decide America's future. I remember in the past the political parties were opponents but at least they were all trying to compromise on a moderate America. These days the only loyalty is to the party. They've lost being loyal to America.

    Today's transparent government is as totally opaque as they can make it. The NSA thing and the leaks, and then blaming it on those who leaked... If America wants to have a good reputation we shouldn't be doing things where leaks hurt us. The old saying, "Gentlemen don't read other gentlemen's mail..."

    However, anybody with a brain knows that all the major nations's intelligence agencies spy on enemies and allies as much as they can. It's incestuous. They spy on each other, they help each other, sometimes they poison the well. This game has no rules. The only reason the minor nations don't do it much is because they don't have the resources, but they'd do it if they could, and they do it as much as they can.

    There's a whole shadow world of intelligence operations that ordinary people rarely see. But the players know the score. I'm certain that nobody in the world intelligence community was surprised that US was meddling. Only ordinary people were surprised, and people like me (us?) who have had just a glimmer of what goes on behind the public view.

    We don't know where Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. are going. The 2016 election planning has already started but the future is still hidden too much by a fog of uncertainty.

    The biggest variable at present is how Obamacare plays out. Nobody knows where that is going.

    I completely agree. The liberals have held completely to their beliefs while the conservatives have weakened themselves by becoming divided, as if there is some appeasement that will make the liberals compromise with the moderate conservatives. They're too stupid to realize that isn't going to happen.

    The liberals won't settle for anything other than getting 100% of their way. You saw how Obama acted during the shut down. And I hate to say it, but they succeeded on putting most of the blame on the conservatives.
  12. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member


    Just to ensure no one likes him, Cruz is now taking the GOP to the cleaners. I'm sure McConnell is stabbing a voodoo doll of his nemesis as we speak.
  13. Greg

    Greg Full Member

    It's too bad that Cruz's efforts delayed the Obamacare disaster. I'm making popcorn every day now, watching the news of the Obamacare disaster self-destructing, while the proponents are saying everything will be fine.

    Just one problem with that: they laws of economics are in many ways like the laws of physics. The real world just refuses to adhere to anybody's theories of how it should work. It works the way it wants to, and anybody with an understanding of economics can see that the Obamacare plan just won't work.

    You can't just declare by government decree that everybody gets something from nothing. The only tool the government has is redistribution of wealth, in other words socialism.

    At present 1/6 of our economy, the medical sector, has been effectively switched to socialism. If this keeps up, welcome to the USSA: the United Socialist States of America. That is the end goal of the Democrats. Do away with profit. Control everything centrally, and the government decides all.

    I wonder how long it will be before the government switches online dating sites to socialism, and they decide who you will marry and how many kids you'll have and when you'll have them........ /rant
  14. Greg

    Greg Full Member

    I've changed my opinion a bit on Ted Cruz's gambit, the 21 hour speech, the deadlock between the Republicans vs. the Democrats and Obama that partially shut down the government and incidentally delayed the coverage of what a failure Obamacare really is.

    I think Cruz was exactly the catalyst we needed to bring this affair to a head, and I think it's going to work out great for conservatives and those who are anti-Obamacare.

    Yes the shut-down delayed media coverage of the failure of Obamacare, but it's like making love to your partner for a long time and delaying the orgasm to get the most out of sex. Cruz focused intense attention on the Republican opposition to Obamacare, and made it abundantly clear that the Republicans were telling America that Obamacare wouldn't work, that the unintended side effects of Obamacare was going to destroy full time jobs, that Obamacare is an attempt to move America to socialized medicine, that many can't keep their old insurance even though they liked it, that many employers would dump their company insurance and send their worker to the Obamacare exchange, and that a significantly large number of people would find their premiums rising, even rising drastically.

    The annoyance of the partial government shut down will fade over time (IMO before the 2014 elections) but for those of us who really believe that Obamacare is going to be a catastrophic failure (for all the reasons I outlined above) should stick to their beliefs, because I think Obamacare is going to fail really badly. Obama is going to try to fix it before the deadline, and IMO Obamacare won't be fixed and the Democrats will have to extend the mandate for a year. Everybody but the 'tards should realize that this is exactly why Ted Cruz spoke for 21 hours on the Senate floor trying to convince the Republicans to band together with moderate Democrats and postpone the deadline by a year.

    Cruz is going to get what he wanted because IMO a one year postponement is unavoidable. Maybe the government can get the website running before the deadline, maybe not, but they can't fix all the other Obamacare problems because the program is inherently misguided and broken. You just can't get something for nothing, that's a fact of life and that's a fact of economics. We all have to stick to our beliefs that the program is going to fail, and that the Democrats are going to founder for the next year trying to fix an unfixable government program, and many Americans not only Democrats and Republicans but even those who have no interest in politics.

    A year of Obamacare misery is going to prime the Republicans to fare great in the 2014 elections unless they do something stupid and snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. Yeah Cruz and his supporters drew a lot of negativity to the Republican party, but if I'm right the Democrats will never fix Obamacare before the 2014 election and from now until the elections the Democrats are going to draw vast negativity, more than enough to overcome the transitive negativity caused by the shut down.

    I hope that in the intervening months the Obama debacle will cause the moderate Republicans to rally to Cruz's philosophy and draw the party back together. The moderates were wrong and I hope they realize that once Obamacare flops, that they should have stuck to their guns until Obama negotiated a postponement. It's even better now, that clearly the Republicans lost the battle for postponement, and that they were right, and that it will be the Democrats who will have to declare the postponement: the political equivalent of being forced to eat crow.

    Thanks Ted! See ya in November 2014! :)
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2013

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