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Self incrimination and lack of privacy

Discussion in 'Society and Culture' started by Arc, Nov 22, 2017.

  1. Arc

    Arc Full Member

    Currently, there is no national binding law regarding whether or not law enforcement or the government cannot compel you even by warrant to give up your password to them so they can access your smartphone or computer, etc. However, some courts have ruled that you must comply to grant access if the access system is Touch ID. (The preceding is why I use the password digit system for my iPhone.)

    Now think about the new Apple iPhone X with facial recognition. If you can legally be required to grant access via Touch ID on your phone or some other electronic device it seems only logical that facial recognition would meet the same standard. Has Pandora's Box been opened?
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2017
  2. Allene

    Allene Registered User

    Sounds like it! :( I started out using my thumb, but it didn't always work, so I switched over.
  3. Arc

    Arc Full Member

    So in terms of legality, generally speaking, you can't be compelled to open up or unlock your phone since you switched to the passcode. You didn't have that level of legal protection with the TouchID.
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  4. Allene

    Allene Registered User

    Thanks, Arc. I didn't know about that until today. That said, the contents of my iPhone would bore people to death.
  5. MemphisMark

    MemphisMark Old School Conservative

    If you have the facial recognition enabled, all the cops have to do is point it at your face and it's open.

    Let me think about that. No.
  6. dsl987

    dsl987 Member

    Much prefer fingerprint ID over facial recognition.
  7. MemphisMark

    MemphisMark Old School Conservative

    I don't use either. Multiple governmental entities (state and federal) already have my fingerprints on file.
  8. Susan Addams

    Susan Addams Unregistered User

    This reminds me of that case where a US citizen crossing into Canada got grilled on his laptop contents which probably had child porn. While I detest child porn (should have a death sentence for those who produce it) there is always the concept that what kind of freedoms do we have if the government can simply take them away on whim. I'm fully satisfied that if they wanna see my stuff, find a judge that will issue a warrant and I'll comply.

    Hahaha, read my stuff? I don't even have my iPad or iPhone passworded. There's absolutely nothing there that anybody would be interested in. I have a few bank apps but I have to login to access them, won't do you any good to open the app without my bank pass.

    Hey Mr. FBI, wanna see some cute pics of my friends and my sis and her family? I'll be happy to give you a guided tour and give you the name and age of each, and why I love them! :)

    Just for the record, my laptops are ALWAYS passworded and HELL NO I'm not giving my pass to you. Unfortunately all they need is to remove the HDD and mount it on any number of systems. Even then, all they'd get is my server stuff and my chatting with my girlfriends and a few boys.

    I live a clean life. I shower 1-2 times daily and I change my mind so often it must be clean by now! ;)

    But there are some very serious issues here. We have a Constitutional protection against unreasonable search and seizure. Just exactly when did the government forget that? How hard can it be to just find a friendly judge who would sign the search warrant. All I want is for them to follow the rules.

    It's very disturbing how our Constitutional rights AND our history are slowly being eroded. Statues taken down, crosses taken down, our past being erased and being replaced by liberal psychobabble. Remember Orwell's 1984. Remember Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451. We already learned the lessons but somebody didn't listen. Or somebody listened and used those books, intending to take over our minds.

    The lesson we learned is that if you can control what words people know you can control the thoughts they are capable of expressing. If you control the history they know and censor the rest, they won't know we've been down this road before, that we've fought this battle before.
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