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Security Guards Get a Pretty Good View of Assault

Discussion in 'Society and Culture' started by SixofNine, Feb 11, 2010.

  1. SixofNine

    SixofNine Jedi Sage Staff Member


    Interesting policy, especially when it means you just stand there as a teenager gets kicked in the head right at your feet.

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  2. tke711

    tke711 Oink Oink Staff Member

    Wow...just wow. How in the world can those guards stand there and do nothing???
  3. Biker

    Biker Administrator Staff Member

    This is pretty normal for the business at this point. In most cases, security guards are there as eye candy and to "observe". Most security companies don't want the liability of wrongful apprehension, assault, etc., so they don't train their personnel at all. Even if they did provide self defense and apprehension training, many companies that hire them out specify that the guards are to do nothing but observe. Blame society and their pension for suing at the drop of a hat. Most companies don't want the hassle.
  4. m1taylo

    m1taylo Full Member

    My thoughts

    As an ex bouncer this seems pretty simple to me... they had been trained to not get involved. They are there as security for the store or some event. Their job is to NOT get involved in personal disputes that have nothing to do with the store. An example from my days was the "parking lot". Anything that happened inside was pushed outside to the "parking lot". Under no circumstances are you to go into the parking lot. Push the dispute outside and let it run its course.
    The one time I went into the parking lot because a friend was involved... I got hit. Had I stayed inside and followed the KNOWN rule I would not have been hit.

    Also, notice how the one guard spends much of the event between the door of the business and the fight. He is making sure they do not go inside the building. BTW, the guards should all have been closer to the door throught the entire video.
  5. Sir Joseph

    Sir Joseph Registered User

    I also find it sad that this would happen even though there are guards there. The little shit didn't know that the guard won't react, but I guess this is where society is at in 2010.
    I think the police officers in this story though might have some explaining to do.
  6. Steve

    Steve Is that it, then?

    That's just bullshit. Do the numbers 9 and 1 on their cell phones not work? I understand what you and Biker are saying, believe me, but there's a difference between non-involvement and gross dereliction of one's humanity.

    It's incomprehensible that not one of them had a cell phone that could have been used to call 911......
  7. Biker

    Biker Administrator Staff Member

    Most of the time, you're prohibited from carrying one, unless it's one provided to you by the company. A lot of us broke that rule, and were damned careful not to get caught with one. One of the quickest ways to get fired, especially when your company reviews security tapes on a regular basis. Lot of guards just don't carry them for that reason.
  8. Steve

    Steve Is that it, then?

    The logic for that would be? Not doubting you, just that it makes no sense.
  9. Biker

    Biker Administrator Staff Member

    You're supposed to be "observing", not yakking on the cell phone with your significant other, buddies, etc.

    My last two security gigs prohibited cell phones. Even when I was on the special assignment group in Toronto, company policy dictated we weren't allowed to carry cell phones. Yet, we saw the majority of "action". We all carried them, of course, and our line manager knew we did, but it was understood if one of the corporate honchos caught us with one, there'd be hell to pay.
  10. Domh

    Domh Full Member

    That video is a fine demonstration of the complete unraveling of our society.

    Not only were the Professional Observers unable to do anything except for ask the attacker politely to stop because they fear losing their homes and income... but the onlookers are so immune to this sort of atrocity that they simply watch and, in many cases I assume, enjoy the show.

    Just 30 short years ago this sort of situation would have gone down very differently.

    Thank you notes can be sent to the mass media and supreme court.
  11. cmhbob

    cmhbob Did...did I do that? Staff Member

    Interesting - more is coming out. Seems the victim had a prior confrontation in a department store, and Seattle PD actually intervened, and helped the girl out through another exit. She asked the officers for an escort, and they refused.

    Then she approached the security guards, and told them she was in danger.

    This comparison is driving me nuts though:
    You know, if their only job is to observer and report, let's change their uniforms to say "Observer," not "Security," since the word infers some degree of active protection. If you put someone in a uniform, and give them a title, they're not just a civilian at that point, and people will (and should) expect more from them than they would a bank teller.

    These guys were contract security, hired to perform a duty. If you're going to call them security, let them protect.
  12. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    You know what? I don't give a flying fuck what's normal "at this point". It's insane and I don't give a fuck if the guards didn't do anything, I would have been all over that whether I go to jail or not.

    This fucking country that USED to be FOR something. Now, might as well merge it with Middle East.
  13. Kluge

    Kluge Observing your world for over 50 years


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