That will be, in my opinion, the eventual undoing of any organized leftist activity in this country: self-contradiction, if not outright hypocrisy. We see a move in this direction, not necessarily in the way the Republicans have managed to wrest control of the government from the Democrats, but more in the way the Republican Party has been able to co-opt almost all of the traditionally liberal, leftist planks of the Democratic Party. Thirty years ago and more, the Democrats could claim "We're <u>for</u> this and the Republicans oppose it!" and now the Republicans are able to respond "So what? We're <u>also</u> for it!" I don't see this a shift of the right toward a more moderate, centric position, but rather the excercise of simple consistency. Americans like a sure thing, a safe bet, reliability in our cars, appliances, and politicians. When any of them start going flaky on us, we drop them in favor of ones that work. The left is finally too flaky for most Americans to support, anymore. ethics: From what I can see, it's a first, but this thread was way too civil for UiF and was split from this thread.