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Outside looking in...

Discussion in 'General Questions' started by bruzzes, Nov 23, 2002.

  1. bruzzes

    bruzzes Truthslayer

    I was kicking back and enjoying the camaraderie of our new home, when I noticed a new member who recently registered.

    Her name was old grey mare and I promptly sent a PM to her welcoming her to the site. We exchanged PM's with a little chit chat, and that was the last time I heard from her.

    It gave me pause to consider what, if anything, we can do to encourage new members to participate. The site itself has had a major upheaval with the mass immigration from the other site. Some of the older members here, prior to the first exodus on Oct. 1st, have joined us and not only fit in well with our group but seem like old time friends. Others seem like they have abandoned the site. I wonder if any of them feel alienated. I would be very interested in a honest opinion about this influx to THEIR site. Deference and respect should definitely be given to their opinions.

    Also I would like those who have registered and have no connection to DSLreports ie,.broadbandreports to identify themselves and tell us what they think. It must be intimidating to see the camaraderie amongst members here and wonder how they can fit in. If they choose to identify themselves, all of us should make an effort to encourage them. An outsiders view would have a stimulating effect from the "group view" we hold of ourselves.

    Finally, I would be interested in the views of those DSL members who have come to visit, look around, seldom post but occasionally lurk.

    Constructive criticism should be welcomed. Even a troll response has some merit as it reflects possible past personal injustice that may be rectified and laid to rest.

    There is one last criteria that I humbly ask.
    That is that any responses to the views of any member wishing to participate in this thread be addressed in a separate thread.
    My purpose in making this request is to allow the participants free range in expressing their opinions without fear of reprisal from opposing viewpoints.
    This is the only way we can learn about ourselves outside our "group think".

    Suggestions to redress any problems that this thread exposes are heartily encouraged. I shall post a thread title called "Redress" where copy and paste of the problem should be made and your response noted.

    PS I hope this topic and the criteria I mentioned is not presumptuous on my part. I truly would like to see what responses this generates.

    Humbly yours,

  2. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Bruzzes (or would you prefer Pip?),

    A very insightful post. I don't recall reading anything the person
    you mentioned ever posted. Of course, they are certainly welcome
    to come and look. I would think this little "content generator" we've
    created is an interesting place for people to come, browse, read and
    learn without ever posting.

    I know how hard it is to begin posting in any forum. All of us had to
    start sometime and I remember wondering whether or not I would be
    accepted. Accepted? I was afraid I was going to be laughed right off
    the internet.

    It is a slow conversion to evolve from shy lurker to confident poster.
    I agree with your assertion, each person who becomes a member here
    is a valuable asset. They have the potential to contribute and enhance
    every single thread by bringing their particular expertise to light for the
    gain and enrichment of us all.

    We need to encourage them to feel comfortable. We need to make them
    welcome. Thanks for a well thought out post. It's amazing how much one
    can learn by hanging around here.

    What a beautiful place.
  3. valgore

    valgore Veteran Member

    I have only been lurking for a couple of days and just registered today. it seems like pretty cool place and I notice some friends and famailar names from dslreports so I don't feel like a complete noob. people come and go and others lurk, thats just the way all forums go. I don't think there is anything anybody is doing or not doing to chase people away.
  4. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    [gl]WARNING[/gl] : Introspection in large doses can lead to siteowneritis resulting in rules leading to the dissolution of postersforlife, a necessity for life in forumsserious, a life form at the top of the Endangered Forums List.
  5. Misu

    Misu Hey, I saw that.

    Well, I'm more concerned with the senior members of the board feeling alienated. I really don't want them to feel we've taken over the board. I would really like for us to become as friendly with them as we newbies are with each other.

    As far as people lurking and posting occassionally, I would like if they participated as well, but sometimes it takes a little longer for users to dip their toes in the water. Just give them time :)
  6. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    That will take time and should not be forced but come naturally on either of the parties.

    I see some old time members posting and getting involved more than they were before the exodus (Omar, Perry, Allene, John, etc...). That's always a pleasure to see and I think it can only get better from here.
  7. bruzzes

    bruzzes Truthslayer

    Perhaps I assumed too much in my original post here as none of the older members seems interested in posting their views.

    What I was curious about, and assumed too much, was that this thread would let people like Kasia or Flagger, or mjf or jaykaykay or slashdot express their opinions on the site without fear of immediate reprisal from any other member.
    Constructive critism can improve our relationships and teach us more about ourselves.

    Thanks for the responses.:)
  8. pcysmith

    pcysmith Paula


    I just registered a few days ago when it finally dawned on me that I hadn't seen Violet, Sharondippity or misu at the other place for a while. So Violet told me about this place and It seems like like the old country with all the crap gone. I never was a huge poster there but I got around. I am just getting my bearings here but I plan to stay. So I hope nobody will mistake me for a lurking spy.
  9. -Ken

    -Ken Guest


    Welcome. I hope you feel at home here. If there is anything anybody can do to help you get acclimated, please ask.

    There are no posting requirements and please be comfortable in knowing even spies are welcome here.

    Glad you could join us. I think you'll find this is a very special place.
  10. Andy


    As a fairly new member here, I guess I can give a small insight as to how I feel about here/there, (hopefully without getting myself into hot water there, since I have found out some have been "banned" for speaking their minds here?...)

    I was invited here by mikeky after one of my final posts somewhere else (in just that forum, not the entire site), and I must say, I really like what I see here.
    I did not know of this site beforehand, (I heard only small grumbling rumors, but that is all that was left after posts were deleted/jailed/modded) and I know there are more members who are just as clueless as I was to it's existence.(Perhaps in some cases, that is a good thing?)
    My only regret AFTER registering here, was that I did not have a chance to do it in a way that mikeky would have gotten a "recruiting credit?" for inviting me here. I read somewhere here about such a program, but i was not given the right link to do so. (sorry mikeky.....:( )

    I find it extremely refreshing to have the ability for EVERYONE to give their opinion, without fear of being "ganged up on" by the not-so-silent minority, (I usually consider myself part of the extremely silent majority "there") is very comforting to me and it will take me a while to get accustomed to this.
    I find that there are quite a few topics "there" that, even when hinted upon bring every flamer and thread crapper out of the woodwork. I have not seen that here, yet. (Believe me, I'M LOOKING! :thumbsup: )

    I have an idea as to why there was the mass exodus, as I was not really part of the crowd "there" when it happened, I hear that it is not the same place that it was before most here left.
    That is in a way, sad.
    I do see the rare thread "there" that stays intelligent for a while, then someone predictably comes along and leaves a heaping pile of steaming shit on it, it's all down hill from there.....

    I also have weened myself completely from posting in that "teen room", having my fill of stupid threads, stupid polls, stupid people, bashing of my Country, bashing of my President, and borderline pornography, with no end in sight (even though the "rules" prohibit most of these activities anyway, but it seems that one gets into MORE trouble for tapping at the sign with the rules on it, than the initial offender themselves!!!)
    The funny thing about all of that is that I see a SMALL amount of the same "offenders" posting here too, yet they magically seem more "adult?" when posting here. (Possibly a result of the environment, not the poster??? Or is it more the fact that here does not tolerate such immature bullshit??;))
    Go figure.

    I feel that there are quite a few more members "there" that would flock to such an open arena for discussion, without all of the "Teenage angst" that seems to seep from every pore of existence in other places on this great, wide, Internet.

    I hope to find more intellectually stimulating discussions here,( beleive me, I have seen more, thats for sure.)
    And I can understand that some here might be growing tired of the "here/there" comparison threads. I am also, and this will be my last mention of that place in this place.:) (there, did I do that well enough to avoid the lynch mob?:))
    I do try to read almost everything here that I can, I just do not readily give my input unless it really stirs me to do so, like this thread.;),
    So I guess I'll be seeing you around! :_: And again, thanks, for having me, and THANKS mikeky for clueing me in on this site!:thumbsup:
  11. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    Who was banned for speaking their minds here? You are entirely misinformed, sir.

  12. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    I think he meant from the other site, but he wrote it wrong. ;)

    The only person I banned was a spammer who came on here spamming his website.
  13. Robert Harris

    Robert Harris Passed Away Aug. 19, 2006

    A few observations off the top of my head.

    As Leon mentioned. some old timers are as active as ever and a few are more active now, but a few are less active, too -- indeed some seem to have almost disappeared. I think it may change over time, we will have to see.

    I do not think there is unhappiness over the influx of new folks -- although there are now so damned many messages that reading all of them would consume most of the day. :)

    There is more frivolity now than there was before -- we used to be a pretty continuosly serious bunch. Some might say boring. That is not a bad thing, just a difference. In fact, it probably is a good thing. After all, in the old days nobody would have dreamed of starting , or even participating in, a thread on masturbation or sex with a miner.

    There probably are fewer messages on some serious foreign affairs subjects than there were before, though. That is, perhaps, in part due to moderators not doing enough to stimulate things. Me, for example -- I used to post a lot more about things happening in Russia when we had a Russia section than I do now in the Europe section. I guess I should stop being lazy.

    One really good thing is the sex composition. Before we were mostly a male group -- I think Allene was the only regularly participating women. We now have a batch of active women. And the presence of so many charming women has tamed Steve Moore, which is a very good thing indeed. :)
  14. bruzzes

    bruzzes Truthslayer

    Thanks for sharing your opinions guys. This is exactly what I hoped for in posting this thread.

    We have a few young members here, notably techie and Claire but these individuals show more maturity than many older members at the other site.

    We have our momments when we wish to have fun and we do so. Rick's place is where it is happening.

    As for repercussions, I doubt if much will get back. The longer we flourish the less chance that it will matter over there. We are established now, and although Ethics had wondered if this would be a temporary refuge at the beginning of the 1st Flood, I am sure he realizes we all have found a permanent home.

    Feel free to use this thread if you have any problems here or wish to bury your comments in an older thread.

    This family here always helps their members.
  15. Andy


    Yep.... sorry, MY BAD!!!!.

    Yes, I meant banned "there" in certain forums for speaking here in certain forums (about certain foums there.. confused yet?:nut: )....

    Funny thing is, as I was trying to reply to this yesterday, this site went kablooey for me, and I thought just for a moment........ well..... Maybe I was taken the wrong way????

    But I see all is well now. :)

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