Discussion in 'Society and Culture' started by Biker, Mar 18, 2010.
Well...one, at least
Perhaps you misunderstand me. I was not making any comment about the quality of the debate. Rather, I'm expressing angst that the issue is a moot point for me because I'm priced out of the ability to afford organic foods. For me personally it doesn't make any difference whether organic is more healthy because at most I might be able to afford a few organics here and there but it's out of the question to switch to all organics.
I'm able to have an opinion, I'm able to express it, but in all practicality it makes no difference to me.
It really was, and a lot of good information was disseminated. I wish all of our topical debates were as stout as this thread. I obviously have a different opinion on organics than you do, but you at least gave me pause with a reasonable source in the NIH, delivered without excessive hyperbole, so kudos for that.
Likewise. Good stuff.
Right, but Greg, we're talking about pesticides and fertilizer specifically. I'm not aware of any of these chemicals having a buildup in your system. We don't use arsenic, mercury, or other heavy metals on our farms.
I think it's vital for people to be informed when following lifestyle trends like organic foods, vegetarianism, etc.
DDT for example. Probably less of a threat in modern times but a good historic example of pesticides building up in the body, due in part to being soluble in fat but relatively not so in water. I'm sure many more modern examples could be Googled up.
In fact I think systemic build up IS one of the major problems associated with the use of pesticides and fertilizers. If it were only today's dose we had to worry about and not yesterday's or last year's dose.
Uh... You don't use arsenic? Damn! I knew I was doing something wrong with my gardening!
But DDT isn't harmful to humans, even if it builds up in fat. It's murder for birds, though!
We don't use it any more anyway. Why are we discussing it?
It isn't? You sure of that? If I gave you some would you eat it?
As I said it is an example that is not current because I don't give enough of a fuck to spend 20-30 minutes Googling it up for you, but you said that pesticides and/or fertilizer cannot build up in human bodies. That is wrong. DDT is a good example of one from the past.
I can give you an example from the future if you'll wait a few months or years.
Sure, I'd eat it. When my dad was a kid, the county would routinely spray the crowds at ballgames, among other uses. But as the giant police lizard man says, we don't use it anymore, so it's not an issue.
I'd send you some except that it might be mistaken for anthrax or cocaine, neither of which is a good thing to be mailing. Not that I could get any... any of them.
You mock me for sourcing the independent and non-funded work (the "hippy" magazine chose to publish her work after she had done it independently as part of her education as that is how academic publishing often works... ask our resident professor) of a woman who holds a Masters of Science degree, a Doctoral degree in Science (from M.I.T. no less) and who is a Clinical Nurse Specialist (2 years of schooling and over 500 hours of hands-on practicum) and defend your suppositions with The Hudson Institute (well known ultra-conservative funded "think-tank") a bought-and-paid-for paper whose academic neutrality is demolished instantly by the use of word "hoax" in its very title and no less than "high-brow" comedians Penn and Teller?
Well, I sort of did provide an "ag major" for you. And I know it won't help at all but I received my Bachelor of Science Degree (Honors) from the School of Agricultural Science at the University of Vermont. Granted, that was a long time ago... and the laws of nature do tend to shift and change with social and political mores over time.
I grow, can, preserve and eat my own organic vegetables. My household food budget is about 20% of the national average, if that.
If you would simply stop using pesticides in your own garden for a season you would learn how much MORE care organic gardening requires. Comparatively, conventional gardening is pretty easy as it requires little care. The increased amount of care taken in organic gardening is a large reason why organic vegetables are more expensive.
I can not address the issue of taste. If you have done the taste test comparison between a conventional and organic tomato and prefer the conventional that is fine. There is no arguing over taste.
The fact remains, however, that certified organic produce is healthier for consumption, contains a higher nutrition content, a lower amount of known to be harmful contaminants and is undeniably healthier for human consumption than conventional produce.
Does this mean conventional produce is "bad" or "dangerous"? Not in the least. It simply means what it says. Organic produce is healthier produce. That is the end of a story that all the conservative muck-raking funding in the world cannot change, though it will never stop trying. To what end only in-patients likely know. Same goes for liberal muck-raking funding trying to convince us all that nuclear power makes little Bambi cry. It, like the "organic is bunk" theory, is nothing more than silly old bullshit.
And Leon thinks he is 28 years old and 6"4 with a huge wang. Helps him sleep at night, sure, but in the morning the mirror doesn't lie.
HATED (organic) DANCING BANANA!
Hey, one out of three ain't bad.