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One Post to Answer Many

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by Omar, Oct 26, 2002.

  1. Omar

    Omar Registered User

    Instead of re-writing my answer all over the place, I thought I will make one
    and hopefully answer many.

    1. Why are the Muslims of the world quiet in the face of terrorism?

    We aren't. What you are seeing is radical "Muslims" who are getting the spotlight. Many say that we say one thing in English and another in Arabic. Just because Arafat, a true terrorist himself, says it does not make it true for every Muslim country and every Muslim person.

    The sqeeky wheel is what you are hearing, you need to shut it down and listen to the quiet, peaceful hum, of other people.

    If you read farsi, Pashto, or Arabic, I can point you to the right directions.

    2. Why are Arabs so hateful and war-mongering people?

    What many people choose to ignore is that America has people like Casey Kasem, Selma Hayek, Doug Flutie, Ralph Nader, Paula Abdul, Spencer Abraham, Shannon Elizabeth, Tony Shalhoub, and many others. Arabs in the US total over 3 million people do you see them causing havok on your country?

    What I saw was an American ex-military veteran take his gun and along with his son, shoot people. An American.

    You talk about courage?

    How about Americas and the worlds first jet ace? He was the Korean War hero, U.S. Air Force Col. James Jabara. In World War II, Army officers like Maj. Gen. Fred Safay fought alongside Gen. Patton, and Brig. Gen.Elias Stevens served on Gen. Eisenhowers staff.

    And in 1944, one of US Navys ships, the destroyer escort USS Naifeh, was named in honor of an Arab American hero, Navy Lt. Alfred Naifeh of Oklahoma. More recently, West Point graduate and retired four-star Gen. George Joulwan was the NATO Supreme Allied Commander of Europe, where he commanded both European and U.S. troops. Brig. Gen. William J. Jabour is the Director of the Air Force Program Executive Office for Fighter and Bomber programs in charge of the F-22 System Program Office (SPO).

    How about political?

    Some of us work in nations capital, like veteran Congressmen Nick Joe Rahall II (West Virginia), Ray LaHood (Illinois), John Baldacci (Maine), John E. Sununu (New Hampshire), Chris John (Louisiana), and Darrell Issa (California).

    There are two Arab Americans in President George W. Bushs Cabinet: U.S. Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham and Director of the Office of Management and Budget Mitchell Daniels. The first Arab American ever appointed to a Cabinet secretary post was Donna Shalala, the nations longest serving Secretary of Health and Human Services, and now president of the University of Miami. Former Governor of New Hampshire John H. Sununu became the White House Chief of Staff under Pres. George Bush Sr., and later a political commentator on CNN.

    Americas longest-serving White House Chief of Protocol, serving seven and a half years under President Reagan, was Ambassador Selwa Roosevelt. Thomas A. Nassif, her assistant, and Edward Gabriel also served as U.S. Ambassador to Morocco. Ambassador to Syria is Theodore Kattouf, and Marcelle Wahba is Ambassador to the United Arab Emirates.

    The late ambassador Philip C. Habib served as Special Presidential Envoy to the Middle East and was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Feisty Helen Thomas, who served for 57 years as a correspondent for United Press International and was dean of the White House press corps, is a Hearst newspaper
    syndicated columnist. In a class by himself, the late, warm- hearted Robert George portrayed Santa Claus year- round for nearly 50 years and was a Presidential Santa at the White House through seven administrations.

    Others who have served in high elected office are: former U.S. Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, who brokered a peace deal in Northern Ireland and led a peace commission to the Middle East; former U.S. Senators James Abourezk and James Abdnor, both of South Dakota; and former Congressional members Pat Danner of Missouri, Mary Rose Oakar of Ohio, the late George Kasem of California, who was the first Arab American elected to the U.S. Congress, Abraham Kazen, Jr. of Texas, and Toby Moffett of Connecticut. Victor Atiyeh was the popular governor of Oregon.

    There are many more and I can go on and on.

    I leave you with an article quote from Karen Armstrong (Karen Armstrong is a notable scholar who has written many books on religion, including Islam: A Short History, published last year by Modern Library, and the bestselling A History of God: The 4000 Year Quest of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.).

    There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, and Islam is the world's
    fastest-growing religion. If the evil carnage we witnessed on Sept. 11 were
    typical of the faith, and Islam truly inspired and justified such violence, its
    growth and the increasing presence of Muslims in both Europe and the U.S. would
    be a terrifying prospect. Fortunately, this is not the case.

    The very word Islam, which means "surrender," is related to the Arabic salam, or
    peace. When the Prophet Muhammad brought the inspired scripture known as the
    Koran to the Arabs in the early 7th century A.D., a major part of his mission
    was devoted precisely to bringing an end to the kind of mass slaughter we
    witnessed in New York City and Washington. Pre-Islamic Arabia was caught up in a
    vicious cycle of warfare, in which tribe fought tribe in a pattern of vendetta
    and countervendetta. Muhammad himself survived several assassination attempts,
    and the early Muslim community narrowly escaped extermination by the powerful
    city of Mecca. The Prophet had to fight a deadly war in order to survive, but as
    soon as he felt his people were probably safe, he devoted his attention to
    building up a peaceful coalition of tribes and achieved victory by an ingenious
    and inspiring campaign of nonviolence. When he died in 632, he had almost
    single- handedly brought peace to war-torn Arabia.

    Because the Koran was revealed in the context of an all- out war, several
    passages deal with the conduct of armed struggle. Warfare was a desperate
    business on the Arabian Peninsula. A chieftain was not expected to spare
    survivors after a battle, and some of the Koranic injunctions seem to share this
    spirit. Muslims are ordered by God to "slay [enemies] wherever you find them!"
    (4: 89). Extremists such as Osama bin Laden like to quote such verses but do so
    selectively. They do not include the exhortations to peace, which in almost
    every case follow these more ferocious passages: "Thus, if they let you be, and
    do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm
    them" (4: 90).

    In the Koran, therefore, the only permissible war is one of self-defense.
    Muslims may not begin hostilities (2: 190). Warfare is always evil, but
    sometimes you have to fight in order to avoid the kind of persecution that Mecca
    inflicted on the Muslims (2: 191; 2: 217) or to preserve decent values (4: 75;
    22: 40). The Koran quotes the Torah, the Jewish scriptures, which permits people
    to retaliate eye for eye, tooth for tooth, but like the Gospels, the Koran
    suggests that it is meritorious to forgo revenge in a spirit of charity (5: 45).
    Hostilities must be brought to an end as quickly as possible and must cease the
    minute the enemy sues for peace (2: 192-3).

    Islam is not addicted to war, and jihad is not one of its "pillars," or
    essential practices. The primary meaning of the word jihad is not "holy war" but
    "struggle." It refers to the difficult effort that is needed to put God's will
    into practice at every level--personal and social as well as political. A very
    important and much quoted tradition has Muhammad telling his companions as they
    go home after a battle, "We are returning from the lesser jihad [the battle] to
    the greater jihad," the far more urgent and momentous task of extirpating
    wrongdoing from one's own society and one's own heart.

    Islam did not impose itself by the sword. In a statement in which the Arabic is
    extremely emphatic, the Koran insists, "There must be no coercion in matters of
    faith!" (2: 256). Constantly Muslims are enjoined to respect Jews and
    Christians, the "People of the Book," who worship the same God (29: 46). In
    words quoted by Muhammad in one of his last public sermons, God tells all human
    beings, "O people! We have formed you into nations and tribes so that you may
    know one another" (49: 13)--not to conquer, convert, subjugate, revile or
    slaughter but to reach out toward others with intelligence and understanding.

    So why the suicide bombing, the hijacking and the massacre of innocent
    civilians? Far from being endorsed by the Koran, this killing violates some of
    its most sacred precepts. But during the 20th century, the militant form of
    piety often known as fundamentalism erupted in every major religion as a
    rebellion against modernity. Every fundamentalist movement I have studied in
    Judaism, Christianity and Islam is convinced that liberal, secular society is
    determined to wipe out religion. Fighting, as they imagine, a battle for
    survival, fundamentalists often feel justified in ignoring the more
    compassionate principles of their faith. But in amplifying the more aggressive
    passages that exist in all our scriptures, they distort the tradition.

    It would be as grave a mistake to see Osama bin Laden as an authentic
    representative of Islam as to consider James Kopp, the alleged killer of an
    abortion provider in Buffalo, N.Y., a typical Christian or Baruch Goldstein, who
    shot 29 worshipers in the Hebron mosque in 1994 and died in the attack, a true
    martyr of Israel. The vast majority of Muslims, who are horrified by the
    atrocity of Sept. 11, must reclaim their faith from those who have so violently
    hijacked it.
  2. Coot

    Coot Passed Away January 7, 2010

    Damn Fine Post Omar.
  3. Omar

    Omar Registered User

    Thank you, kindly, Mr. Coot. :)
  4. fritzmp

    fritzmp Fire Fire For Effect

    Smashing good post Omar. Ring the Bell and be heard, and while your at it, smoke the bastards that have hijacked your faith.
  5. Omar

    Omar Registered User

    Actively trying, sir, very horrid business but we are doing our best.
  6. fritzmp

    fritzmp Fire Fire For Effect

    While your at it, smoking that bunch of gilded and robed royalty that look like crack dealers in drag in Saudi would be a good start.
  7. DSL Dan

    DSL Dan Registered User

    Now you're talking! Those guys are playing both ends against the middle, trying to cover all of their bets. Yo, House of Fahd, your game is just about over. :mad:
  8. Sunriser13

    Sunriser13 Knee Deep in Paradise

    Wonderful post, Omar!! Your words help to answer many of the burning questions we have... for, believe it or not, we are just trying to understand, and protect ourselves from those who would hurt us and ours.
  9. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    Great job, Omar.

    I would submit to you, however, that part of the damage control that needs to be done are editorials, demonstrations, fora in English wherein these issues can be aired for the benefit of the West.

    You see, having them debated in other languages is definitely worthwhile...but we need to hear it, as well.

    I have no doubt that what you say is true. But we don't see it here, and it makes us nervous and distrustful.

  10. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Thank you Omar.
    God, I love it here.

    I would like to submit Omar's brilliant post for
    entry into the GA publishing contest.

    I look forward to Martin's comment.

    What's that I hear?
    Could it be an apology?
    Well Haywire, here's your chance to prove you're a man.
  11. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Can't submit an essay written by Karen Armostrong. It was a good post but let's not get carried away.

    Also, there's no need to apologies, Omar wasn't seeking one.
  12. John R. Beanham

    John R. Beanham Typical Aussie Male


    I agree with the others that yours is a fine post, but I must reserve judgement on your Item 1.

    I DO accept that 90% of the Muslims of the world are peace-loving, but it is the other 10% that worry the hell out of me. ALSO it is the fact that we never see an Imam or other leader pointing the finger at a person or group and putting them in to the police or other authorities.
    I have referred to the Australian Imam who admits that he knows of 'cells' in Australia but refuses to name them.

    When that happens we will all know that Islam is on the level in the "War Against Terrorism". When Terrorist groups are deported or ejected from Muslim countries and handed over to the UN or whatever then we will know. Until then it is all just words

  13. -Ken

    -Ken Guest


    May I ask, where do we turn in our 10%? As honest as Omar was,
    don't we have our own 10% we need to admit to and get rid of?

    Possibly a few rich corporate types who have abused power and
    "gotten away" for far too long?
  14. Coot

    Coot Passed Away January 7, 2010

    and just as soon as one of these starts taking and or killing hostages, flying planes into buildings, bombing nightclubs etc., I'd be the first to advocate putting them up against the wall.
  15. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Ok, if they send past use medicine to northern Africa and kill several
    thousand, can we find room behind that wall to lock them up?

    Or, how about if the clear villages and farm land, build an oil derrick
    and abuse the previous residents?

    Or, pay a corrupt dictator to clear a village, kill a few people and turn
    the rest into economic slaves? Can we find room for those assholes too?

    After all, we are the country they are busy garnering hate for. It is in
    our national interest.
  16. Coot

    Coot Passed Away January 7, 2010

    Now you know full well and good that if this was done to keep cheap gas in my bigass 4 X 4, it's all good.

    Oh wait..ignore that previous sentence. Now you know you can't have it both ways, it's either up against the wall or let 'em go. No half measures ;)
  17. John R. Beanham

    John R. Beanham Typical Aussie Male


    "May I ask, where do we turn in our 10%? As honest as Omar was,
    don't we have our own 10% we need to admit to and get rid of?"

    I think we do actually. In both the USA and Australia 'most' known criminals are identified and handed in if it is at all possible.

    I don't get the idea that known criminals are defended and
    given sanctuary by the Churches of our countries. I don't get the idea that the McVeighs of this world are NOT hunted down and punished.

    If there was a major attack on the largest Mosque in the USA, and a couple of 100 people murdered, would that 'terrorist' be hunted down and punished? Of course they would.

    I believe that the ring leaders of the 19 Muslim terrorist organisations listed by your State Department, are known to the
    leaders of the Muslim Church and are seen by the Imam every Friday at prayers.

    When the Imam points them out as they kneel and demands that they be handed over then we are on the way to peace.

  18. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    I see an issue or a side issue not being thought of. I don't know about all religions but most have some sort of responsibility not to share information gained in the course of their spititual duties. Much like the confessional of the Catholics. Not being religious myself I do not know the details for the various religions. Is their such a commitment in the Islam religion? If so we may be out of line in demanding they turn in the suspects.

    FWIW I still want them to tell but I am wondering about a religious side we are ignoring.
  19. Willem DeLerk

    Willem DeLerk seriously bent

  20. mikeky

    mikeky Member

    <a href="http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/4392869.htm">Anti-gay group plans protest at local church
    Omar, to me, this article in a small way illustrates how you must feel. Clearly the morons in the article represent little that the Christian faith adheres to, and yet they receive significant coverage that reinforces the view of Christians as ignorant and intolerant. Fortunately, many if not most in the U.S. will recognize these people as a fringe element and disregard them. Sadly, due to their inexperience with Islam, that is not the case when it comes to Muslim fringe elements, and so you pay the perception price for their (Muslim fringe) actions.

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