Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by Sunriser13, Nov 2, 2002.
From the New York Times:
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As "<i>scary</i>" as the rest of the story may be, I would expect no more than this from a Liberal rag like the New York Times.
Haywire, have you read "The Turner Diaries"? It <b>is</b> filled with anti-Semitic and white supremacist garbage. It is also popular with the "far-right" hate groups.
The NYT reporter is simply telling the truth about this horrid book...
*Edit* If anyone is interested, here is a link to the text of the book. It's an Angelfire page, so have your pop-up stopper at the ready...
The Turner Diaries
This link has the full text as well, without my pop-up stopper sounding mad alarms, but it's not quite as easy to read...
The Turner Diaries
Re: Re: Now, this is scary...
I submit that I have, at numerous times, bashed the crap out of NYT, especially on their foreign affairs.
They do, however, offer some good stories which are pretty straight up.
Sunriser is correct, The Turner Diaries was something that all maniacs read and believe in.
You know what is scary, Angelfire without a pop-up stopper, I heard from Steve Moore that "porn pages have less pop-ups."
Hee, hee! That's why I warned folks - I'll see if I can find another site with the full text and no pop-ups (or at least minimal), and replace the link if I can.
Naw that's OK, Sunriser I have a Pop-up Condom, Remember everyone should have safe hex.
Just thought that those two statements needed some separation. About the only difference between Metzger and Farrakhan is skin color...same message, same day...different audience.
One reason why I avoid all Angelfire sites--my doctor says I only have about 40 years left to live, and Lord knows I don't want to spend them trying to shut down a dozen windows every two seconds.
OK, the point of this was not to discuss one book mentioned somewhere in the middle of the article. Let's try to put this back on topic.
What is scary to me about this is that Dr. Larry Ford, for all intents and purposes, appeared to be a well-respected, well-educated Beverly Hills physician, a scientist and an educator. An American (<i>without</i> ties to the Islamic extremist groups that so many want to blame for everything these days), he was not only in possession of enough weaponry, conventional and biological, to present a serious threat to a nice chunk of our country, but also had ties to the apartheid South African project kept secret for so long, Project Coast. From the article: "After the fall of apartheid, South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission conducted an extensive investigation of Project Coast. In 1998, Project Coast scientists told the commission that they had produced, among other weapons, chocolates and cigarettes infected with anthrax, milk laced with botulism, and enough cholera to cause "massive outbreaks.""
The dates mentioned in this article are long before 9-11, people. Right-wing "Christian" extremist groups right here in the good old US of A have been preparing for war for many, many years - not one outside our borders, but one from within. Anti-government, anti-tax, anti-Semitic, separationist... and their members are often your White, professional, "normal" next-door neighbors. You know, the ones you attend church services with, the ones you'd trust to babysit your children.
There are groups right here in this country that are laughing at the people who want to close the borders and bomb the Middle East into oblivion thinking that will stop terrorism. Although it is not revealed in this article whether Ford had any specific ties to any of these groups, there are many more like him who do.
Those who believe actions such as racial profiling and what amount to internment camps (just like the Japanese-American internment camps during WWII - oddly enough, German-Americans were not targeted) will stop the terror are sadly misinformed. The most dangerous terrorists are already among us, and have been; it's just a matter of time before they act.
Good point here.
Also love the sig, in full context is the only way it should be quoted, lest people take the 2nd sentence without the first and think they are philosophers.
In business the current wisdom "if a customer calls in with a complaint,
there is another 99 out there who won't take the time to call" seems
applicable to this.
We know of this lunatic inside our borders who had a nasty collection
and we can be assured of at least one more, whoever mailed out the
Anthrax immediately after 9-11.
For those of you keeping score, no matter how you look at it, that is
way too many people having both access and the intention to use it.
Regarding the following:
"From the New York Times...
They also discovered that he had held extreme racist views and had once told a girlfriend that to understand him, she should read "The Turner Diaries," the anti-Semitic and white supremacist novel, popular among far-right groups, that was <i>prosecutors say inspired the Oklahoma City bombing."</I> Italics added by Jedi Writer.
An interesting related side issue on news reporting, the Turner Diaries, and the part of the story that quotes prosecutors saying the book "inspired the Oklahoma City Bombing."
The book is definitely a white supremecy fitional novel written by an overt racist who advocates violence and the novel although fitional definitley represents the views of its authors and most of its fans.
However, the part about the the Oklahoma bombing is a good example of the old saying that just because it is accurate doesn't mean it is true.
One theme or subject in the racist novel is the government plans on taking all guns away from law abiding citizens and stripping them of the right to own guns. It was that theme and that theme only the McVeigh was interested in and focused in on in the book. He wasn't interested in or part of the racist main theme. The book simply reinforced what was the foundation of his belief that motivated him to bomb the building and strike a blow in his mind against the evil U.S. government. That incorrect foundational belief was that the government was out to get us, screw us over, commit illegal and immoral policies and actions. It's goal was to control us and enslave us and in the process take away the people's guns.
McVeigh would have still blown up the building with or without reading the novel.
So the Times quote is accurate but is not true. And I am not picking on the Times, attributing any impropriety by them or the validity of its overall story. Just pointing out how things can get twisted and then rollercoaster from there.
Actually the German Americans in World War I were racially profiled, my Great-Uncle fought in that war in an American Regiment that was almost completely composed of German Speaking Americans, the first few times they were in the lines they would shout out " Don't Shoot were coming back to our lines" in Germans, which really surprised the Germans.
Many German Americans changed their last names to English Spellings or even to new names to avoid the discrimination. Almost every immigrant culture goes through this when their homeland culture is the enemy, why should it be different. Even during WW2 a family in my parents hometown had trouble their last name was Fuhrer.
Jim, I know there was most certainly discrimination toward German-American community; what I was speaking of was the rounding up and interning of the Japanese-Americans, most of whom were American-born. They couldn't simply change their name so as not to be recognized...
Any number of German and Japanese fought in our Armed Forces, and were exceptionally valuable soldiers. The saddest thing is that their families were often being targeted while they were gone.
Yes, right, there are about 200 million drivers licenses I would like to revoke.
That quote is also on the first page of "Whoever fights monsters", a book written by a former FBI profiler. His name slips my mind right now, but it's a GREAT book - sucks I lost it before I had the chance of finishing it
More about this issue for those that are interested - I didn't realize '60 Minutes' had covered it this past Sunday, 11/3/02! I hate that I missed it...
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