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My Rant on Racism

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by Techie2000, Dec 11, 2002.

  1. Techie2000

    Techie2000 The crowd would sing:

    Okay you know what. I am getting very annoyed at my school. In recent years there has been an influx of minorities. I'm fine with that, many of them are nice intelligent people. However the ones that aren't so good are really driving me up the wall. They play the race card every chance they get. In study hall the teacher wouldn't let a kid go to the bathroom because he was on pass restriction. The kid then says he's only on pass restriction because he's Puerto Rican, and continues to act like an idiot acting out throughout the study hall. There are many other examples but I won't bore you. It just annoys me to no end that these kids act out and then when they are in trouble they play the race card. If someone is bothering me, I will tell them off. I tell off one of the not so good kids that's African American and suddenly I'm a racist. That is no small insult. I'm curious how everyone else feels from either side of the fence...
     
  2. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    I hate to say this but...

    Been there and I sympathize. The race card is what is taught in home, not at school.
     
  3. mikeky

    mikeky Member

    It's simple really. Labelling someone more often than not provokes strong emotions in the person being labelled (case in point, you when called a racist), and it's easy to do, no well-thought out argument (or insult, for that matter) required. As such, it's the weapon of choice for the lazy and weak-minded.
     
  4. RRedline

    RRedline Veteran MMember

    Unfortunately, Techie, we have become ultrasensitive towards race. The civil rights movement fought to end people's fixation with race, but unfortunately, it has only made us focus on it even more. There must be some sort of way to make it all work, but until then, we are going to have to deal with bullshit like this. This kid has already learned that he may be able to get out of trouble and/or responsibility by playing the famous race card. Having the race card is like getting a royal flush.
     
  5. LissaKay

    LissaKay Oh ... Really???

    Unfortunately, for some folks, it doesn't get much better when they get older. A neighbor woman got all hot under the collar when our sons got into a tussle and was yelling, screaming, threatening and generally having one hell of a hissy fit at me out in the street in front of where we live. I royally pissed her off by staying calm and cool, telling her that when she calmed down, I would be happy to discuss the situation with her. Long story short, at one point, she said something to the effect that because she was black, blah, blah, blah ... I replied, "Oh ... you're black? All I see is a hysterical person that cannot discuss the issue without screaming."

    That at least shut her up for a couple minutes.
     
  6. Andy

    Andy ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    OOH, one of my favorite subjects....:nut:

    Courtesy of Dictionary.com..
    racism
    n.
    The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
    Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

    racist

    adj.
    1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist]

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    First of all, the one thing I always have to laugh at is the mentality it takes for one to actually pull the race card out of their sleeve. It just shows me (at least where I grew up) that they have no real argument, only a hate toward the person that they are hypocritically calling a racist. They might as well just have the comeback, "Oh YEAH???" because it, to me anyway, is just as intelligent.

    Another thing I find interesting, is misguided the belief that people of color CANNOT be racist.
    (Just for example's sake....Try standing at a rally whenever Al Sharpton is speaking, and call HIM a racist.. see how far you get.;))

    Why I ask??? Because they are of a "minority class" they are exempt from being racist?

    I also find it interesting that in the dictionary listing above, the adj. definition of racist implies that it can only be "antiblack,anti-Semitic" etc.. but conspicuously missing is "antiwhite".
    Would not the Japanese be classified as racist, for their beliefs against "white America" during WWII??? They, at the time wanted to wipe out America for the glory of the Empire, and yet at the same time around the globe, Germany was creating the Holocaust against the Jews, where later they would be branded as racists (because their skin was white?) for doing such horrible acts.

    Would not someone that feels that their "belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others" and ALSO happen to be of color, with those feelings of hate aimed at someone of the "white" race, by DEFINITION be RACIST???

    Perhaps one day, hopefully this will all be a moot point, because I feel it is up to us Parents to instill in our children that hating ANY color is not tolerable in the 21st Century, if the HUMAN race is to survive much longer.
     
  7. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Good post, M1, couldn't have said it better.
     
  8. midranger4

    midranger4 Banned

    Techie,

    The type of situation you describe is not isolated these days, and I sympathize with you. However, I think you are persecuting a minority group with your complaints....that minority group being *JERKS*.

    Being a jerk has absolutely no prerequisite as it pertains to race, creed, or color. Sadly enough however complaining directly to a jerk about him/her being a jerk can, and most times does, result in the jerk crying foul in a lame attempt to divert attention.

    This tactic, although quite childish, has become more and more successful for jerks over the years. Subsequently most jerks are using this defense in one form or another when put on the spot.

    It is imperative that when a jerk begins to present the *victim* defense that you clarify that race, creed, nor color have any bearing on the fact that they are simply a JERK.

    So I ask that you keep putting up the good fight, do not be discouraged and continue to call a jerk a jerk when necessary.

    If jerks were left unchecked for an extended period of time I fear they could become a majority so your ongoing efforts are critical to keeping the jerks in the minority.

    Know that you are not alone in your fight against jerks and that you have our support !!
     
  9. Coot

    Coot Passed Away January 7, 2010

    Techie, I feel for you lad...unfortunately as you progress in life, you will at times feel inundated by the seemingly endless array of inanity. The race card is but one of those, and can be one of the more emotionally draining for everyone involved in an incident. As was pointed out, the 'race card' is largely taught in the home. Many kids learn it well and as you have seen, the faculty and administrators are extremely sensitized to it, as it can cost them their jobs at the drop of a hat.

    The PC crowd (and I shudder to use that tired term) have several other cards they have no compunction about playing. The idea behind this agenda...if it really is an agenda is to change thought and speech by replacing concepts and ideas with those more to their liking, and the ubiquitous they become very intolerant of those who won't play the card game with them.

    Maintaining personal integrity and mental discipline can get you into trouble with other people...giving in to poorly thought out paradigms that appeal to emotion rather than the clarity of logic and reason can get you into trouble with yourself....it's usually best not to get into trouble with yourself.

    Chin up Lad.
     
  10. Coriolis

    Coriolis Bob's your uncle

    Not much I can add to the great advice given above, except to say that you also try to remain sensitive to the fact that the race card is not <i>always</i> played unfairly. I would agree with the others that what you've described above is a home spun bastardization of what "equality" really means, and your angst is certainly justified in this case.

    Unfortunately, I see the complaint of the race card rapidly becoming too easy a way to dismiss what, in some cases, might be legitimate racism. It can become a knee jerk reaction. Keep an open mind, thinking through the situation by seeing all sides. If you can do this, I think you'll find the conclusions you arrive at are about as fair as they can be.
     
  11. joseftu

    joseftu ORIGINAL Pomp-Dumpster

    While I agree with a lot of your post, especially your conclusion, I did want to try to clarify this one point, at least as I learned it long ago.
    The way I understand it, racism, by definition, is more than just prejudice or bias. Racism is prejudice plus power. In this country, in this society, power (overall, institutional power) is held by whites, so a non-white person, who may be prejudiced, does not have the ability to be racist.
    You may or may not agree with that definition, but it is at least internally logical and consistent.
    In all arguments (even with Al Sharpton), it's best to try to understand the other person's point of view using <b>his</b> definitions, before assuming he's just an idiot.
    Techie, I'm sorry you're in a bad situation, and it does sound to me like you are dealing with some idiots. But let me confirm Coriolis' advice that you not forget that the idiots don't make racism imaginary. Some very much "non-idiots" are working in real ways to help end racism.
     
  12. Coot

    Coot Passed Away January 7, 2010

    I would have to disagree with your definition, the connotation, does however speak to the effectiveness of racism when practiced. Racial prejudice, whether it is wielded from a position of impotence or power, does not change its tenets...only the likely outcome of its excercise. Racism, whether it's being acted out by Jesse or Al or Strom or a school child is no more and no less than what it is. It's just that it's effects are so much more glaring and influential when wielded by an 800 lb. gorilla. Likewise, when practiced from a position of relative powerlessness, it become a fertile bed for the development of a bitter, resentful and ineffective life.

    Discernment is perhaps the most valuable tool in evaluating what is actually being presented in any given situation. In most instances, the playing of the race card is not in and of itself racism, but frequently an excuse generator that attempts to absolve the individual or group playing it from having to take responsibility for their actions...or inaction. While the race card has its roots in racism directed at the group the person playing it belongs to, I would be hard pressed to accept such claims on their face.

    There is the danger of dismissing claims of racism out of hand also, but discernement and clear thinking with an eye on history should be the guiding voice of reason to inhibit such abuses.

    To be sure, given our societal predisposition for muddled speech and the meandering of the written word, it is sometimes very difficult to know what attributes another person ascribes to words and phrases. Oftentimes, ferreting that much out can bridge arguments and disagreements; of course that can also make for lively debate ;)
     
  13. joseftu

    joseftu ORIGINAL Pomp-Dumpster

    You have every right to disagree with the definition, Coot, but it's not <b>my</b> definition. I think it's a useful definition to understand, but I didn't invent it, and I don't think it can really be pushed very far.
    I would argue, however, that there are very useful distinctions to be made between Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Strom Thurmond.
    I think Jackson is a brilliant orator, and dedicated to working for racial justice.
    I think Sharpton is a shrewd manipulator, a clever strategist, but ultimately dedicated only to himself and his own goals.
    I think Thurmond is a racist, who honestly and consistently believes that whites are superior to Blacks, and who has worked tirelessly to enforce this belief. (By the way, why the uproar about Lott approving of Thurmond? Why not any uproar about the fact that Thurmond himself has been in the Senate for the past 100 or so years? But that's another subject).
     
  14. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    I think I understand your point, joseftu AND Coot. I honestly think we need another term for what joseftu means and it's NOT racism according to the M1Tank's post (definition from a dictionary).
     
  15. Coot

    Coot Passed Away January 7, 2010

    As to definitions, I'll stay with Webster; as to connotations, that is a matter for rich debate.

    Once again, we will disagree as to the motives and intentions of the good Rev. Jackson. I see the man as an unprincipled opportunist and a shakedown artist, his reference to NYC being "Hymietown" notwithstanding.

    I must admit, that my painting of Jesse and Al with same racial brush as Strom was a bit much. What they do however have in common is a hunger for power for its own sake.
     
  16. jamming

    jamming Banned

    How about the Senate's own Grand Wizard of the KKK, Senator Byrd? How about Mr. Gephard attending a white supremist picnic in his runs for office in Missouri, in the early 1980's. Where is your objection for the other side? Do you realize without the vote of Thurmond and other Cross Over Republicans, voting rights act would not of passed. I see your bias, but I feel sorry as it is only the same bias that the general public has because of where they get their news.
     
  17. joseftu

    joseftu ORIGINAL Pomp-Dumpster

    Hey, whoa, Jim...I'm just as happy to criticize Byrd or Gephard (although they don't have as loonngg a racist history), but Thurmond was the name that was mentioned.
    I'll admit to some anti-Republican biases, but I don't think I was really displaying them there.
     
  18. Frodo Lives

    Frodo Lives to hit it!

    I am afraid I find that to be very much false. That style of mentality is both racist AND prejudiced. I am not pointing fingers at you, joseftu, but that definition of racism is the proverbial thorn in the lions paw.
     

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