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Michael Moore using death.

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by drslash, Oct 25, 2002.

  1. drslash

    drslash It's all about the beer

    Michael Moore is a total whore. He is selling the idea of defeating Repiblicans on Nov. 5th based on the sad and senseless deaths of innocent people. I thought no one would go that low. I am not one for name calling but I am so pissed right now. MM is and idiot and low life scum. He has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. He also tries to sell movie tickets on the dead bodies. Here is a letter sent out on his mailing list (I only received it as a forward):

    Yes, It Was a Bushmaster

    October 25, 2002

    Dear friends,

    Yesterday, Larry Bennett, a 16-year old, was shot in the head after he was
    involved in a minor traffic accident. You probably didn't hear about it
    because, well, how could he be dead if he wasn't shot by The Sniper?

    Yesterday, an unidentified woman was shot to death in her car in Fenton,
    MI. You probably didn't hear about it because she had the misfortune of not
    being shot by The Sniper.

    Two nights ago, Charles D. Bennett, 48, an apartment security guard, was
    shot to death after confronting two teenagers in his parking lot in
    Memphis, TN. You probably didn't hear about it because the sniper was too
    busy sleeping in his car that night, and thus, poor Charles was not shot by
    The Sniper.

    Yes, The Sniper has apparently been caught, so we can go back now to NOT
    reporting the DOZENS of gun deaths that occur every day, the ones that just
    aren't newsworthy because they happen in all those old boring ways --
    unlike the ways of The Sniper, who was interesting and creative and
    exciting and scary! He played so much better on the news.

    Of course, had Congress not caved in to the NRA we would have known after
    the first HOUR of the first day of the killings three weeks ago that those
    bullets were coming out of a rifle that belonged to John Williams/Mohammad.
    How would we know this? It's right there in the state records in New
    Jersey: this gun was purchased this past July, under the name of John

    Many more people died needlessly in the days and weeks after that first
    hour of the shootings, and every one of their deaths could have probably
    been prevented had we had a national ballistics fingerprinting data base.

    Thank you, Mr. Heston for this unnecessary carnage. Thank you, Mr. Bush,
    for supporting Mr. Heston and his group's agenda -- which protects only the

    And thank you, Bushmaster Firearms, Inc., for providing the gun used to
    shoot the 13 people in the DC area. Bushmaster's president, Richard E.
    Dyke, was the Maine finance chairman of George W. Bush's 2000 Presidential
    campaign. According to Business Week, Dyke had to step down as Bush's
    finance chair "after reporters began quizzing him about his business
    dealings. Bushmaster Firearms Inc., is notorious for using loopholes to
    sidestep a 1994 federal ban on assault rifles." Bush and Bushmaster. Too
    tragically perfect.

    If everyone reading this letter (and you now number in the millions) would
    share this fact with just one person who is thinking of skipping going to
    the polls on Nov. 5th, I believe that on Nov. 6th, Mr. Bush will have
    neither the Senate nor the House doing his or Heston's bidding. Americans
    don't like people who assist serial killers in being able to ratchet up
    their kills because The Sniper knows that his bullets are prohibited by law
    from being traced to his gun.

    That, in a nutshell, is what the NRA is all about -- and I implore all
    responsible gun owners and hunters to join with me in putting an end to the
    NRA agenda once and for all. Don't give Bush his majority on November 5th.
    He's already seen to it that his cronies in big business have wiped out
    your 401 (K), and they are doing their best to see that you are left with
    no pension at all. That alone should be reason enough to NOT pull a single
    lever for a Republican on Nov. 5th. Send a message. Do something brave.


    Michael Moore
    www.michaelmoore.com <http://www.michaelmoore.com>

    PS. "Bowling for Columbine" opens in a few dozen new cities this weekend,
    including Portland, Minneapolis, Sacramento, South Florida, Atlanta,
    Dallas, Houston, Baltimore, St. Louis, Kansas City, Cleveland, a bunch of
    towns in New Jersey, that village in Connecticut where we liberated the
    beaches, a theatre in Times Square, Detroit (Royal Oak), and Denver. Click
    here (http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/about/theaters.php) to see the
    full list of theatres where it opens today.

    PPS. Don't forget to show up in DC or SF tomorrow to voice your opposition
    to the War on Iraq. Many other cities are holding rallies. Check out my
    mission from the Office of Homeland Security (http://www.michaelmoore.com)
    for details.

    PPPS. You can find out more about the candidates to beat and the ones to
    support in the upcoming election here:


    If you wish to be be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please click the
    link below and follow the instructions.

  2. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    Why do I think knowledge of this letter will only enhance the NRA's position. Michael Moore is the left's yellow journalism equivilent of Rush. Both tell enough to back their position and ignore the half truths and lies.
  3. bruzzes

    bruzzes Truthslayer

    sigh...Politics as usual...

    One must treat these viewpoints with the cynisim they deserve.
  4. immortal one

    immortal one 501st Geronimo

    Dick Dyke...Chairman of Bushmaster. Who can top that one?

    I thought Bill C. was the 'Bushmaster'. :thumbsup:

    Seriously though...
    I've been around firearms, was taught the care and proper respect of them when I was but a very young lad, owned and carried legally all my adult life, and I've never witnessed one by itself taking aim and shooting a human, or anything else for that matter...without human intervention.

    Blame the death on the weapon, and
    not on the person using it. Irrational.

    Mr. Moore, you're capable of a better argument than that.
  5. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Well said. I think your point on strengthening the people he disparages will be the result.

    But hey, folks, what would Michael Moore's of this world be without people to trash?
  6. jamming

    jamming Banned

    Actually give the Sniper a $2 circular file and let it rattle around in the barrel awhile and then the barrel print would be unrecognizable.
  7. Coot

    Coot Passed Away January 7, 2010

    I had never heard of this boob until a certain site owner's acclaimation for Bowling for Columbine. I guess my literary and cinematic habits must travel in better circles than do yours drlash :D

    When I read rubbish like the cited email, I can only presume that the buffoonery is producing new wonders at a record pace.
  8. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    He was used as reference in there a while back until the disdain reached record levels. Then they shut up til now. Funny, the site owner claimed in that thread that MM was not against guns.
  9. mikeky

    mikeky Member

    Now there would be a debate: MM vs Rush.

    I find MM's fast and loose facts and logic play particularly distasteful, as well as his ambush interviews. I sometimes wonder how he would fair in a one-on-one situation where he had to defend his stance.
  10. Coot

    Coot Passed Away January 7, 2010

    From what I've read so far, he and Donahue could make their own porn flick.
  11. Misu

    Misu Hey, I saw that.

    Watching the news the other day, I saw an interview with some British guy - don't know if he was a politician over there or just a journalist, but the guy made a very interesting point:

    In Europe, where privately owning a gun is not allowed, they do not have the crime rates we have in the states. Murders involving firearms in 1 state (I think he mentioned NY) outnumbers the murder rate by firearm for all of Europe. The crime rate per capita is lower in general.

    Gun supporters here are quick to point out that it's not the gun, but the person holding it. They also say if the criminal didn't have the gun, he would use something else, like a knife or a bat or a lead pipe.

    Well, I can't help but wonder if that is really the case. I seriously doubt our country is full of brutish neanderthals - at least, more so than in Europe. I do not believe our country incubates such violence in it's people, that the murder rate in 1 of our states outnumbers the murder rates in all of Europe.

    Sure criminals would use lead pipes or knives or whatever - but you have a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat than you do a bullet through your face. I'm sure if my husband's friend had gotten hit in the face with a bat or even a knife instead of the 'accidental shooting' of a bullet in his FACE done by his friend while he was visiting him, he'd of been out of the hospital MONTHS ago, and he would not be paralyzed and his life completely wasted right now.

    Maybe it's just that I have witnessed more negative things with guns held in the hands of civilians than positive things.

    BTW - I didn't see anything different that Moore said about the sniper shootings from what I saw people publicly posting about in forums (whether over there or over here). He raised an interesting point - one based on fact - many people were killed by guns the 3 weeks of the sniper's killing spree, but you didn't hear about it on the news because it wasn't 'sexy' enough. The fact is people are getting killed every single day - and many more are threatened and victimized by someone with a gun (whether by a criminal or an accident). Is the right to bear arms worth all this blood?
  12. RRedline

    RRedline Veteran MMember

    Michael Moore is a dolt. Reading that only makes me want to join the NRA. Very few people irritate me more than this guy does. I am so tired of hearing about how guns kill people. CRIMINALS WILL ALWAYS HAVE WEAPONS. Stricter gun laws will only affect law abiding citizens. It's just like all the tactics the RIAA are trying to us to stop music and software piracy. Whom is it hurting? If I want Whitney Houston's new album, which won't be in stores for several weeks yet, I could get it in less than thirty minutes. Making it so it won't play in a PC CD player only prevents someone who purchased it legally to enjoy it the way he or she wants to.

    Does anyone take Michael Moore seriously? I seriously would like to know. If I had to listen to either he or Barbra Streisand babble on about politics, I would actually have a hard time deciding! :)
  13. RRedline

    RRedline Veteran MMember

    With all due respect, cars kill more people than guns do, so should we band the use of automobiles? Just because some people are irresponsible and some people like to run over other people, that doesn't mean that I am going to do it too! And owning a car isn't even protected by the US Constitution the way that owning a gun is.

    I'm sorry about your husband's friend, but how on Earth does somebody get 'accidentally' shot in the face? It sounds like gross negligence was involved to me. That is hardly a reason to prohibit MY owning a handgun for protection. I would never point a gun in someone else's direction - certainly not somebody's face.
  14. HaYwIrE

    HaYwIrE Banned

    <strike>Talk about your Neo-Liberal, pinko, commie, hypocritical, naive, blind, politically correct assholes. :rolleyes: </strike>

    <small>oh yeah... I said I wasn't gonna do that anymore....</small>

    Oh <i>myyyyyy</i>.... What a nice man! :love:
  15. immortal one

    immortal one 501st Geronimo

    Are any of our rights worth all that blood? Yes, they are.
    Our rights are written in blood.
  16. cdw

    cdw Ahhhh...the good life.

    You didn't hear about it like you did the sniper's killing spree because they weren't serial killings.
    IMO, there's a big difference.
  17. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Boy, talk about half-assed.

    Let's talk a few facts here.

    Michael Moore is a lifelong member of the NRA. He is not
    against gun ownership by law abiding people. He is against
    the loopholes which allow criminals to get and use guns.
    (You know, like the kids at Columbine.)

    What he is discussing in the above letter is the failure to
    enact legislation which would help to catch the criminals
    who are killing innocent people.

    This sniper was a law abiding gun owner UNTIL he crossed
    the line. If we could have matched the markings on the first
    bullet recovered with his gun, we might have been able to
    save a dozen or so lives.

    So do me (and yourselves a favor) get accurate information
    before you go off half cocked. (pun intended)
  18. cdw

    cdw Ahhhh...the good life.

    I think this is a great idea and am confused as to why anyone would object. I've read that people are arguing that it is an infringement on their privacy rights. How? :huh:
  19. mikeky

    mikeky Member

    True, and maybe the database is a good idea, although jamming has mentioned defeating it would be easy. Last story I read said the White House was rethinking their position on it.

    But what irritates me about Moore is that, while not as explicitly in this article (see his website), is that he blames Bush for not enacting the system and so for the deaths. He conveniently ignores that even if the system was implemented when Bush first took office, it most likely would not have been sufficiently developed at this point to have made a difference. So why not partially blame Clinton for not pushing the system into place? Because it doesn't fit with his agenda to blame big-business/Republicans for everything.
  20. mikeky

    mikeky Member

    I'd hoped what you said was wrong, but evidently not.


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