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Justice served.

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by -Ken, Dec 20, 2002.

  1. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    This child pornographer got sentenced to 30 years.
    I hope they feel like forever. Read about this sick bastard here.
     
  2. Robert Harris

    Robert Harris Passed Away Aug. 19, 2006

    I simply cannot conceive of gettin goff on sex pics of an 18 month old. Unable even to imagine it.
     
  3. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    I'm not sure I would want to comprehend it.

    There are some deviant people we need to isolate from society. Apparently, there were some 6,000 members of this one email ring, each required to provide pictures.

    And this is only one such ring.
     
  4. Robert Harris

    Robert Harris Passed Away Aug. 19, 2006

    You are talking aboutr a permanent separation, I hope. Wouldn't want to them released from somewhere in a few years.
     
  5. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Bob,

    I do not believe in capital punishment.
    There may be a cure for these people in thirty years (we can all pray it happens much sooner) and if so these people could be released back into society after they were rendered harmless to society.

    As much as I despise the crime, I believe these people are sick. Most (if not all) were raped as children themselves. The cycle continues. What should we do, lock up or maybe kill all the victims of this crime as a prevention measure? Are we doing enough to study, understand and treat this problem? Apparently, the numbers are much bigger than we want to admit.

    I agree something needs to be done but it must be something tangible, real and effective. After all, burning witches is so old fashioned, don't you think?
     
  6. Robert Harris

    Robert Harris Passed Away Aug. 19, 2006

    A cure? Oh you optimist. ")

    I am not crazy about capital punishment either -- but there are situations that absolutely cry out for blood. This is one of those sorts of things.
     
  7. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Bob,

    As a parent, I can't even conceive of this crime.

    I cannot begin to imagine what thirty years in the future might bring. I do remember (barely) what I was doing Christmas 1972. What will occur in the next three decades will be staggering - if we don't self destruct.

    We now understand a fair portion of the human genome. The progress we will make in the understanding of how the brain works will completely change how we interpret these crimes.

    What if we discovered this "condition" was due to a deficiency in a vitamin or perhaps some mutation in testosterone production caused by a treatable virus? We would look as civilized as the "learned Judges" who sentenced witches to death.

    I feel we should have advanced beyond that by now.
     
  8. HaYwIrE

    HaYwIrE Banned

    Since you Liberal pansies don't wanna kill the sick fuck, I hope the pig gets ass-raped every single day of his stay within our fine correctional facilities.

    But, that's just <b>my</b> opinion. I <b>could</b> be wrong. :_
     
  9. Robert Harris

    Robert Harris Passed Away Aug. 19, 2006

    Damn, Hay. We agree for once! Although I think maybe you are being too kind and gentle. :)
     
  10. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Hey, great idea.

    While we're at it we can just strike the cruel and unusual punishment clause right out of the Constitution. After all, why should we listen to something some guys wrote 200 years ago?

    Perhaps we can emulate Turkey or Iraq.
    Or maybe we should bring back public disemboweling.

    What amazes me is, if this malady turns out to be caused by a viral infection, you guys wouldn't even feel remorse for killing these people. But that's ok, there's definitely a conservative out there who would recommend capital punishment (or maybe a lifetime of homosexual rape) for you guys as a punishment.

    And, civilization marched forward again!

    Next time you catch a cold, how about thinking about it?
     
  11. Robert Harris

    Robert Harris Passed Away Aug. 19, 2006

    As of now the courts, right up to the supremes, have held that capitol punishment is not cruel and unusual. This it is permissible under the constitution. I believe, thoough, that public disembowelment would be forbidden.
     
  12. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    <small>As said by Haywire,</small>
    "Since you Liberal pansies don't wanna kill the sick fuck, I hope the pig gets ass-raped every single day of his stay within our fine correctional facilities."

    <small>As said by Robert Harris,</small>
    "Damn, Hay. We agree for once! Although I think maybe you are being too kind and gentle.

    <small>As said by Robert Harris,</small>
    "As of now the courts, right up to the supremes, have held that capitol punishment is not cruel and unusual."

    You weren't referring to sentencing a man to repeated rapes?
    I'm sorry, that's what it looked like to me.
     
  13. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    What do you think happens to child rapers in jail, Ken? Jail has it's own caste system and child rapers are on the bottom.

    Call it poetic justice.
     
  14. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Ethics,

    While I agree with your sentiments, we are prohibited from metering our "cruel and unusual punishments. If people are being raped in our prisons, we need to forbid it the same way as we need to see inmates do not kill other inmates (as best we are able).

    Before I get crucified as someone supporting pedophiles, I find the crime as repulsive as the next man. However, as the civilized people in society, allowing anyone to be raped (even if it is with a wink and a nod) is WRONG. Poetic justice or not, we are supposed to be better than that. It is awfully hard to meter out justice with a straight face if we are fully aware we are breaking both our laws and our code of ethics.

    Rape is wrong and can never be excused under any circumstances. To condone it is even worse. I can see no valid exceptions.
     
  15. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Ken, nice notion, will never work with H. sapien. It's simply in our every fabric of our genes.

    Revenge.
     
  16. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Again, I agree with your analysis but the question which begs to be asked is, what makes us any better than them? Because we sit on the bench and judge or hold the keys to the prison seems to be a pretty poor indicator.

    If we are to truly "talk the talk", we must "walk the walk" or we are only hypocrites in nicer clothes. Revenge is not an excuse for murder or conspiracy to rape, not even when it is done legally.

    Unless we address this issue, we are really not much better than the people we punish.
     
  17. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    That's my point. Nothing makes us better than them. Same species, we just happened to have a majority of people with guns on our side.

    You can't make a dog meow, and you can't make a human something he is not.

    Sad, depressing, frustrating? All of the above, but the sooner we realize what we are, the sooner we will stop wasting money and time changing us in to something we will never be.
     
  18. Copzilla

    Copzilla dangerous animal Staff Member

    I've got to agree with Ken on this one.

    As much as it seems amusing and fitting to us that this guy will probably get his butt drilled until they strike oil, that's not his sentence.

    Our penal system is being run by the inmates. It shouldn't be.

    Now where conservatives lose the typical liberal is in the method of correcting the problem. I think the prisoners are afforded too damned many rights and that's how they're able to run the show like that. There's nothing wrong with a more stringent prison system, where they're working and schooling to fill the vast majority of their time and don't have time to train to kill cops or rape each other. But in order to do that, the panderers have to allow the prison system to control the prisoners. Idle hands will always find trouble.
     
  19. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    Great post Copzilla. We damn sure are as guilty as the prison rapists when we allow it to continue. Not enough reason to release anybody but surely time to take control.
     
  20. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    And I have to agree with Copzilla (guardedly) about the way corrections is run in this country. I believe the inmates shouldn't be running the facilities but I would probably disagree on how this could be implemented.

    First, I want to differentiate between the despicable trash from people who have made a mistake. Most kids have a wild streak, which once they are put through the system they are not likely to get out. We need to address this. To group all these criminals together is a mistake in my opinion.

    I would have no problem with healthy people being asked to work, get an education and learn how to live inside society's framework. This should be based on how the average person in society works. In other words, we don't create a slave labor force (as China is doing) with long hours and no rewards.

    Inmates who work should receive the benefits of their labor in an attempt to teach them the benefits of being productive in society. People who work harder should receive more freedoms and rewards and release should be based not on a specific time frame but rather when the inmate has demonstrated they can be released back into society with a chance of succeeding.

    No prisoner should ever be raped, beaten or murdered. If we choose to pack these people away, we must accept the responsibility for them. This tough love bullshit is revenge and little more even though it does teach inmates to hate open society and creates a perfect mechanism for retribution and a return to incarceration.

    The system is broken and we need to fix it.
    It is not doing what we need it to do.
    We want rehabilitation, we are getting recidivism.
     

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