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Is a society free of prejudice even possible?

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by Steve, Dec 12, 2002.

  1. Steve

    Steve Is that it, then?

    Will there ever be a time when society is free of racial stereotypes and attitudes and actions based on perceptions of racial behaviors?

    Can it ever happen that Jew, Christian, Muslim, athiest, and a hundred other belief systems will be able to co-exist without violent conflict?

    Will men and women ever be free of the Mars/Venus dichotomy slapped on us by a pandering media?

    Will Steven ever stop beginning his posts with rhetorical questions?

    Not likely. :)

    Nor do I think it's desirable for us to be completely free of such things.

    Don't get me wrong. The types of prejudice that lead to lynchings, or church bombings, or suicide bombings, or any kind of violence or repression are just plain wrong. I submit to you, however, that some prejudice, of a non-violent type, is beneficial.

    Without strife and conflict, the human spirit would not be challenged. Without prejudice, we would never know of the likes of Mahatma Ghandi; Martin Luther; Martin Luther King, Jr.; Rosa Parks. We would never be able to witness a man such as Lyndon Johnson overcoming his background and his upbringing to initiate sweeping social reform. Abraham Lincoln would have been just another President. Given just rule by the British, the United States may never have been formed.

    Without an environment of "haves" and "have nots", we would never know the true capacity for human compassion and human indifference. I think we need injustice, we need pain, for us to grow as people and as a society. Prejudice, when recognized, can become a starting point for personal and societal growth. Discrimination, when identified, can be the bellwether of that growth. Hatred, when exposed, can be cathartic.

    We are in no danger of ever reaching a utopian state, but neither should we ever stop striving to achieve it. Our achievements, and our growth, will be realized in the struggle.
  2. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    I would settle for more get along so the great minds can work on stopping disease, space travel, feeding the starving, and mental illness.
  3. Techie2000

    Techie2000 The crowd would sing:

    Many people claim its impossible, but it is actually inevitable. As generations continue to procreate with people of other ethnicities, in the end there won't be a black, white, red head, or blonde or whatever. I know few people who are ethnically pure. I myself am Polish, Scottish, British, and Irish. My children could have double the amount of ethnic groups they belong to. Right now we can still measure with percent. But in 10 generations, it will become so complicated people will most likely stop caring...
  4. Sunriser13

    Sunriser13 Knee Deep in Paradise

    Darling, there is probably not one human being on earth that can claim total and complete ethnic purity. Every damn one of us is a mixed-up "something-or-nother", also known as a "mutt".

    I personally consider this "diversity", and believe it is a necessary component of eventual world unity. (That's my idealism coming through.)

    There are still some states in our grand old US of A that I am not considered legally "white" because I had an Ethiopian great-grandfather. This was not even known until I was about 14, and my birth certificate says that I <i>am</i> white. I've spent a lot of time within the black community since I've been an adult, dated both black and white men, and honestly see the societal and physical differences. To me, however, neither one is "better", just "different".

    I am French, Irish, English, and Ethiopian - most folks I know don't care. They'd rather know that I am always the same person to them, day in and day out; honest, compassionate, principled, and just plain me. That is, after all, why they were attracted to me in the first place...
  5. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Very, very interesting thought Stevent.

    To feel a need for prejudice to always exist sounds to me like advocating everyone should experience clinical depression so we can all experience the lowest of lows to fully appreciate the peak of happiness.

    While many of these famous people you mentioned were probably "shaped" by the experiences and prejudices of their times, we may not have needed these men if the hatred had not become so strong.

    If we had no disease, would that negate the need for great doctors? The skills of diplomacy, communication and the ability to organized a civilization into a coherent group, able to function and coexist, seems to be what allowed mankind to survive this far. Without these skills, I believe we would have become extinct long ago.

    Should we fail to master our problems we may not make it much farther. For most of our lifetime, we have had the ability to end civilization as we know it. Can we expect us not to continue down the path of random genocide based on intolerance if we don't learn to control our limitations? I honestly think not.

    I would like to be the first to nominate Stevent's post for Post of the Month for December.

    Damn fine job Stevent.
    Once again, I am very glad to have you contributing here.
  6. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Agreed. Let's make these nominations in the appropriate forum. This way, when the time comes, we can efficiently make the polls.

    I am guilty of this myself as well, btw. :(
  7. Misu

    Misu Hey, I saw that.

    I think it's nice to think that one day, everyone will unite and we can begin to live as 1 people. Hope is always a good thing. Keeps you going.

    But I think we just need to look at gangs to see where humans are headed. If it's not race or economic status or religion keeping us seperated, its some stupid man-made thing, like the color of bandana you were or the which side of the mountain you live on (referring to Afghani tribal wars). People will always fight, we will always keep ourselves seperate.

    I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing, however. Like Stevent pointed out, sometimes bad things are necessary to see the good things.
  8. FrankF

    FrankF #55170-054

    Nope it will never happen. People have been killing each other because of racial, ethnic, cultural, and religious differences for thousands of years. And people tend to not learn from their mistakes.
  9. Copzilla

    Copzilla dangerous animal Staff Member

    This is true... at the escalating rate of our current interracial mingling, last I heard is that there will be no "races" in 300 more years.

    BUT - Any idea that there will be no discrimination after that occurs is pure bunk.

    Next it will be fat people - or skinny people - or the people who speak with this accent or that accent - or who are from this region or that region - or uglies vs. pretties, you get the idea.


    I've had to take racial sensitivity training as part of my employment, training which was mostly retarded. But one thing that one of the trainers said one time rang true, and I've tried to live by THIS statement - "It's perfectly normal for people to want to be around those they are most alike. It's natural, and should not be confused with discrimination."

    So it's normal for me to want to hang around white folks, and it's normal for asians to want to hang out with themselves, and blacks, and hispanics, and all that. Once we understand that, the rest is easy.
  10. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Re: Re: Is a society free of prejudice even possible?

    I hate to be the pessimist (realist?) here as well, but I will agree. If it's not race, it will be the size of people's noses, or the color of their eyes.
  11. Paladin

    Paladin Have Gun -- Will Travel

    Re: Re: Re: Is a society free of prejudice even possible?

    Now, the Star-Belly Sneetches
    Had bellies with stars.
    The Plain-Belly Sneetches
    Had none upon thars.
    --"The Sneetches" by Dr. Seuss

    People will *create* differences if they have to.
  12. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Is a society free of prejudice even possible?

    Yeppers, without a single doubt in my mind.

    That's not to say it will get worse, I tend to agree with techie's post on diversity and the integration of races, but I just don't see this peaceful harmony with the H. sapien itself.
  13. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    And that gleaming twinkle of hope not yet discovered in those alabaster cities which lie in our future...

    ...better music in porno movies.

  14. Misu

    Misu Hey, I saw that.

  15. ditch

    ditch Downunder Member

    Steven keep on posting your thoughts regardless of your concern that others will be bored by the nature of them. If you ask Leon nicely he may even consider a separate forum for philosophical issues. Boring for some maybe but they attract plenty of interest and are not always Breaking News and Analysis. Issues such as this are debates that are long running, much more so than news items whose interest often passes quickly.

    At the risk of being labelled an idealist, I believe that prejudices will in time lessen but not disappear. Assimilation of different races, cultures and religions will be the catalyst. An increase in the general level of education and prosperity of an increasing proportion of the world's population needs to be achieved to provide a base for any lowering of hate and prejudice which is often the result of huge differences in levels of prosperity.
    Between now and the evolution of this Utopia ;) there will be Saddams and Mugabes that need to be taken care of. The greater the proprtion of those striving towards an ideal though, the greater the liklehood of it being achieved.

    Idealistic maybe but an ideal worth striving for.
  16. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Ok Stevent, when did you tell him?

    This is way too freaky to be a coincedence.
  17. ditch

    ditch Downunder Member

    Coincidence only I swear.
  18. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    That's very freaky.

    Stay tuned for new stuff to roll out tomorrow. :)
  19. ditch

    ditch Downunder Member

    Good move ethics. I'll look forward to it.:thumbsup:
  20. Frodo Lives

    Frodo Lives Luke, I am NOT your father!

    O.k. I have to share something that is bothering me. This morning, I was flipping through the channels when I happened across a Christmas special. I was watching it for a few minutes when the host, a black guys who's name I can't remember, was announcing the last song and he said, "This is some of OUR music, if you know what I mean." Ya, I know what you mean, black music. You racist pig! Bigotry goes both ways. KKK = Black Panthers.

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