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How Screwed is Holder

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by SixofNine, Jun 20, 2012.

  1. SixofNine

    SixofNine Jedi Sage Staff Member

    This is admittedly an opinion piece, but there are some factoids embedded within it that are very harmful to the administration, particularly Holder.

  2. Biker

    Biker Administrator Staff Member

    I think it depends on how other lawsuits play out and whether it points to Holder as the primary mover and shaker as far as holding back information.

    There are several suits pending against the DoJ because the department has pretty much ignored FOIA requests dealing with voter registration in other states. If it's shown that Holder is the primary agent in withholding information, he'll most likely be asked to resign. The last thing the Obama Administration wants right now is a massive embarrassment that points back to the oval office.
  3. cmhbob

    cmhbob Did...did I do that? Staff Member

    Obama has now asserted executive privilege over about a thousand pages of documents, including stuff relating to the letter that said they didn't know anything about F&F.

    If the White House didn't know about F&F, how can they assert executive privilege?

    This is the key question now. From NYT
  4. SixofNine

    SixofNine Jedi Sage Staff Member

  5. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

  6. eakes

    eakes Registered User

    It's solid money the WH knew about F&F. I am equally sure Executive Privilege was the fall back position should Holder be pushed by Congress. Invoking EP definitely indicates the WH knew about F&F from the start.

    Holder now has to resign to keep this from blowing into a major campaign issue this fall.
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  7. Arc

    Arc Full Member

    Thank you President Obama for invoking executive privilege. He has IMO backed himself into a political no-win situation by doing so. The privilege is normally and broadly valid only for national security reasons. That is going to be a tough umbrella to push criminal activity under which is exactly what Fast and Furious ended up being. Also, by invoking it the President implies full knowledge of the details of the operation.

    Procedurally the executive privilege legally or procedurally will probably die out. It is unlikely that congress will take the next steps necessary to legally get a court to intervene. (Appoint an independent prosecutor that would subpoena FF records and then if EP is still invoked for documents sought take the Special Prosecutor takes the issue before the Supreme Court.)

    Whatever happens, even if the President changes his mind and withdraws the claim by originally invoking the privilege in this case he still comes off as looking like he is covering up wrong doing by his friend Holder and criminal activity by the DOJ in the FF operation. Holder and the operation has all ready been found guilty in the court of public opinion. Such a fact will only hurt President in November.

    I wonder if this will be the early tip-off that Holder will soon fall on his sword? Could be.
  8. Arc

    Arc Full Member

    This is what the parents of murdered Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, killed by a Fast and Furious gun think of the President Obama think of invoking "Executive Privilege."

    "Attorney General Eric Holder's refusal to fully disclose the documents associated with Operation Fast and Furious and President Obama's assertion of executive privilege serves to compound this tragedy. It denies the Terry family and the American people the truth. Our son, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, was killed by members of a Mexican drug cartel armed with weapons from this failed Justice Department gun trafficking investigation. For more than 18 months we have been asking our federal government for justice and accountability. The documents sought by the House Oversight Committee and associated with Operation Fast and Furious should be produced and turned over to the committee. Our son lost his life protecting this nation, and it is very disappointing that we are now faced with an administration that seems more concerned with protecting themselves rather than revealing the truth behind Operation Fast and Furious."

    I wonder how the president would publicly respond to them if he had the courage.

  9. MemphisMark

    MemphisMark Old School Conservative

    I think his lack of response clearly shows his level of courage. He's a coward.
  10. Biker

    Biker Administrator Staff Member

    And then there's this gem from the Gaston Gazette.

    Priceless.. :laugh:
  11. Biker

    Biker Administrator Staff Member

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  12. Allene

    Allene Registered User

    It figures!

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