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Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by Steve, Jan 14, 2003.

  1. Steve

    Steve Is that it, then?

    Every hear of Homies? Me, neither, until I saw them in a gumball vending machine at the Chinese restaurant I picked up my lunch from, today.

    For those not aware of the finer points of American culture, "homie" is a derivation of "home boy", and is used to denote a member of the same socioeconomic class and/or neighborhood as the person using the word. "He's my homie" implies a certain degree of brotherhood.

    All well and good. Well, check out the link, then give me your opinion: Is this some strange form of racism? Sure, there are a lot white urban kids (WUK's) who identify the culture that brought us "homie"; but really, can you imagine a similar line of products named "whitey"?

    Are these figures symbols of solidarity? Or emblems of divisiveness?
  2. btdude

    btdude Veteran Member

    I'm not so sure it could be racism. As you know, I was raised in a predominately black/hispanic neighborhood. I, about the only honkey white boy around, was one of da homies. LOL Not to the extremes of Eminem, or Vanilla Ice, but stil . . . But, I do agree with you, that deveolping a line of whitey dolls or toys is not a good thing. Although, I noticed in the images that there are NO white homies as part of the package . . . .
  3. Steve

    Steve Is that it, then?

    I'm not sure what I think. My first reaction was that they're silly. Then I started thinking about how there must be a market for them, which got me to thinking about why that market exists.

    Are positive role models and influences so lacking in urban, minority neighborhoods that these sorts of "dolls" really serve a positive purpose? Or are they meant to further separate those members of society from the rest of society?

    I just don't know. One is very depressing, the other makes me angry. Anger or depression........back to my garlic chicken, now.....
  4. Violet1966

    Violet1966 Stand and Deliver Staff Member

    Believe it or not, we have a gumball machine here in our food store that has these dolls too. I had to laugh. Up here there's a new found love for the wannabe thing. You know, where white kids try and act like they come from street gangs and try and act what they perceive as "black". You see them get out of new Volvo's in front of the schools wearing like 200 dollar shoes and trying to act like a gangster.

    I can't imagine what it's like to be a pre teen or teen today. My older son isn't affected by this thank God. He's pretty in touch with who he is and where he grew up and fits in where he lives. It's a racial mix but the crime rate is very low and it's middle class all around. He's gonna be 12 this May. So far he's still got the same accent he always has had and he wears his clothes properly. LOL
  5. wapu

    wapu Veteran Member

    I would love to have the complete set. I would proudly display it next to all the little NFL Helmets and my complete set of Star Wars Pez dispensers. I need $105 real dollars to get the complete sets.1-4 of the Homies and 1-3 of the Mijos series. That would be awesome!

  6. btdude

    btdude Veteran Member

    LOL @ Violet. It's New Hampshire in the WINTER. If he wore those funky jeans down to his knees, his hiney would freeze. 'Sides, he seems quite fortunate to have good parents who've been around awhile. I could be wrong, though . . . hehe
  7. Domh

    Domh Full Member

    You guys havent read IVORY magazine?

    Oh, right - wait - race riots.

  8. Coriolis

    Coriolis Bob's your uncle

    Much ado about nothing. As the artist says, "it's art based on Chicano culture". I don't see any thing racist about it all, but I would leave it up to the Hispanic/Mexican-American communities to decide whether or not it's socially acceptable. Given the market that exists, my guess is that it's welcomed.

    The initial backlash by law enforcement, however, was (not surprizingly) a knee jerk racially motivated response: the dolls were immediatly dismissed as glorifying gang culture.
  9. Steve

    Steve Is that it, then?

    I wasn't aware of any law enforcement backlash; I just became aware of these things, today. I agree it seems silly to attribute any kind of gang activity to the dolls, let alone react upon that assumption.

    I guess I just find them..."silly". If they are "art", reflective of the culture, then it's art I don't understand and, by extension, a culture I don't understand, at least not very well.
  10. Coriolis

    Coriolis Bob's your uncle

    Steven, the reaction of law enforcement to the dolls was in the article you posted. ;)

    Art has always, and will always, be subjective. If someone says "this is art", then to them it is. Understanding a culture is certainly important for understanding the art derived from that culture. On the flip side, I like to think I understand my own culture, but I still see things called "art" that I just don't get. :)
  11. Violet1966

    Violet1966 Stand and Deliver Staff Member

    No bt...my older children live with their dad in NJ and not far from New York City. So I think my ex and I have done something right somewhere if my son is still wearing his pants on his waist ;) LOL

    And thank you for the copliment, we try our best :)
  12. Domh

    Domh Full Member

    Which is a real problem.

    Gang culture doesnt need to be glorified any more than it presently is by the "artists" in the music industry.

    This is where I get called a Nazi, I know, but Im waiting for somebody to use the "I was making art, man" defense in a murder trial.
  13. Steve

    Steve Is that it, then?

    Well, then, I guess I'd better start reading the resources at the links I pull off of Google, eh? ;) I read, for a page that size, 6 sentences scattered at regular intervals, just to see if it looks like it has the info I want to highlight. Guess I missed the part about the cops.....
  14. Coriolis

    Coriolis Bob's your uncle

    I agree with your first point, but these dolls certainly don't look like they glorify gang violence. Have you looked at them?

    About your second point, freedom of expression does not supercede the criminal code: "I killed him so I could arrange his body parts as a cubist expression" just ain't gonna fly! ;). However, I know the waters are murkier when it comes to porn "art" and other tasteless forms of expression.
  15. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    Art and music are in the eye and ear of the beholder. Last night as I listened to some winners on the American Music Awards I reaffirmed my decision that I would rather have no taste than to consider some of that art. Now all we need is a law restricting your listening zone to where it enters my listening zone. In my youth it was called manners.
  16. Techie2000

    Techie2000 The crowd would sing:

    I personally am not into the whole homie thing. It just seems unprofessional to me...

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