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Far-Right Wing = Hate? (was...Now, this is scary.. )

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by HaYwIrE, Nov 2, 2002.

  1. HaYwIrE

    HaYwIrE Banned

    No, I haven't read it, but I have no doubt that it is a racist book. But a far right group and a far right <b>hate</b> group are two different things, believe it or not. ;)
     
  2. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Let's talk about what's really "scary"...

    Someone explain to me how this guy could turn a story about a potential
    American terrorist into a rant about liberal newspapers. Talk about your
    basic knee-jerk reaction!

    And, as Coot pointed out, there is no difference between "a far right group
    and a far right hate group" they are the same exact thing.

    Hey Sunriser,

    Why don't you provide a link for him to read Mein Kemp? At least he can
    get his propaganda direct from the source. If he substitutes the word liberal
    every time he sees the word Jew, he'll be happy.
     
  3. jamming

    jamming Banned

    I guess from your post Ken, you also see no difference between Greenpeace and the Uni-bomber? Since both are far left enviromental action supporters?
     
  4. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    I do not condone the use of violence either by Greenpeace
    (or the French government, should they ever decide to do
    something brave like sinking a ship again)
    .

    It is not the right or the left I am at issue with, it's the wackos
    who think violence, terrorism and military action is the answer
    to everything.

    Is there a time when it is ok for someone to take up arms for a
    cause? Shouldn't this be a new thread? After all, what we are
    discussing is some lunatic (a doctor, no less) who had apparent
    intentions to inflict great harm.

    To me the danger is just as real whether he was extreme left or
    right. Because his name was Ford and he was white makes him
    no less newsworthy or for that matter any less dangerous.

    To paraphrase an ex-president,
    "It's the terrorists, stupid!"
    <small>(Jim, the "stupid" was not directed at you or anyone else. Just part of the quote.)</small>
     
  5. jamming

    jamming Banned

    Not all extreme right winger's think that violence is the answer to the problem. So if an extreme right wing group avocated the end of welfare with no replacement program, you would consider that Hate speech or Violence?


    Just because Haywire said it doesn't mean that you have to oppose it.


    I have contacted the EL Mod about splitting the thread.
     
  6. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Why would I possibly have any dispute with a group who peacefully
    opposes war and violence, even if they were right wing?

    I would think I would find that common ground and go from there. I
    am not the one advocating divisiveness here. I don't see the right
    wing/left wing as much as people who accept violence and hate as
    necessary and people who wish to eradicate them.

    I'm not sure where you're going here, would you be more specific?
     
  7. jamming

    jamming Banned

    I am confused about your quoting Coot, equating far right as far right hate group. Oh and by the way, doing away with welfare is one of the platform position of libertarians, along with legalizing drugs for adults.
     
  8. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Regarding splitting this thread,
    we have a problem. The first post
    here is meant as a response to Haywire.

    Taken out of context, it appears different.
     
  9. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Actually, it appears better on its own than when it was a response.

    Perhaps in the future, if we do something like this, we can provide a link from where the thread was taken from?
     
  10. Sunriser13

    Sunriser13 Knee Deep in Paradise

    Yes, I asked for that before, describing certain threads as seeming like I was walking into a room in the middle of a conversation.

    It can become disjointed and confusing at times...
     
  11. Ugly

    Ugly Fish is Brain Food

    The problem is that political views and racial/religious hatred are confused with each other due to pendant issues where both/all sides are not <strike>careful</strike> precise in their speech.
    It speaks quite poorly of one who accuses another of hatred merely for a political stand on a divisive issue.
    And folks wonder why robust voter turnout and qualified candidates are becoming less common every election.
    Blech - threads like this make me sick.
    Ugly
     
  12. jfcjrus

    jfcjrus Veteran Member

    I agree. If this thread resulted from another (as I suspect, because it makes little sense otherwise), then goshdarnit, the moderator that split it should add where it came from in the origional post of this thread.

    Otherwise it's up to me to search down the thread of origional thoughts of the posters, to understand their developed intent before I interject my thoughts into the discussion. All I see is an interesting debate, but I have no idea what lead it to this point.
    Not an easy thing to blend into.

    This 'thread' splitting policy needs work, in my technically dumbass opinion.
    But, I've said this before, to no avail. So, I guess I'm the only one that gets confused.
    Please forgive my tirade, I'll just have to learn how to do 'searches' better, or something; if I brouse across an interesting 'split' thread too late in the game.

    Regards,
     
  13. HaYwIrE

    HaYwIrE Banned

    The moderator that split it <b>did</b> put where it was from...

    Title of this thread... "<i>Far-Right Wing = Hate? <b>(was...Now, this is scary.. )</b></i>" ;)
     
  14. HaYwIrE

    HaYwIrE Banned

    Wrong again. :rolleyes:
     
  15. RRedline

    RRedline Veteran MMember

    I agree. Far right groups and far left groups may or may not be hate groups. I have been called "far right" by some people, and I have been called "far left" by others. It just goes to show you just how "far off" some people can be.

    I don't think there are any true definitions for those terms, so they are applied very subjectively by people who want to insult the other side.
     
  16. Sunriser13

    Sunriser13 Knee Deep in Paradise

    Here is a link to the thread from which this was split:

    Original Thread

    It would be far easier to provide a link in the first post of a split; hell, the vein that this split took confused even me, and I'm the one who started the original thread that was taken so far off topic.
     
  17. Coot

    Coot Passed Away January 7, 2010

    "Far" (left or right) groups generally have their own agenda and in this country attempt to hijack another party that has intentions most closely associated with said agenda. Far left or right are generally 'extreme' in their viewpoints and said agenda generally involves denying something to someone else...be it freedom to choose what happens in one's own body, the kind of car one chooses to drive, certain rights based on ethnicity....ad nauseum. The Christian Right attempts to hijack the republican party...the greenpeacers attempt the same with the democratic party. Watch for the greens to be back at the Democrats in full force in the next few years as African Americans on the extreme left are hijacking the green party for their own ends, based on the green's pro-reparations stand.
     
  18. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Ok, will do that in the future. :(
     
  19. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Hmm, maybe we look at the spectrum differently.

    On the far left, we have the unibomber, on the far right we have, Kopp?<small><--- Check out the link for some real abuse</small>
    Please illustrate your position by naming a far right wing organization
    that is not a hate group. By my definition, one is the other. This is also
    true of the farthest extreme of the left wing as demonstrated by some
    of the WTO protestors in Seattle.

    While there are instances where civil disobedience is not enough (Nazi
    Germany in 1939 for one) the use of force is where I define the people
    who are at the farthest ends of the spectrum.

    So, when is it appropriate to use violence? When the whales are almost
    extinct? When they carry away your neighbor because he is the same
    religion as you? Before they take your daughter away?

    This is actually the direction I thought this thread split was actually taking.
    Either way, it is an interesting topic.
     
  20. Jedi Writer

    Jedi Writer Guest

    For this thread I agree completely with Sunriser. The "walking into a room in the middle of a conversation" is a good analogy.
     

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