Dr. Uno Silberg, during the Twenty Second Plenary session of the National Forum On Europe, held in St Patrick's Hall, Dublin Castle, Ireland, on Thursday 12 September 2002, before an audience of Irish politians, accused those Estonians who are pro-EU of treason and advocated their arrest. From the transcript of his speech: "It is a fact that for activities violating the independence and sovereignty, provided for in Article 1 of Estonia's Constitution, imprisonment of up to ten years is stipulated. We know that the security police do not bring criminal charges against Euro-politicians and officials for unconstitutional activities. The motivation is very simple. The corpus delicti would consist of the fact that activity directed against national independence and sovereignty is in conflict with the official state policy. But in Estonia the Constitution is violated officially. The treason has been principally economic commitment both by members of parliament, who have legal immunity, and by members of the government." To which a shocked Irish dignitary Billy Kelleher rebuked Dr Silberg: "Dr. Silberg, I would just ask, I mean, certainly we would like to encourage free speech and free debate, and I suppose by extension you will be saying that those of us in this country, which also has a constitution, and is an independent country, I think it is a little extreme, to say the least, that you will be expecting that those people who are just trying to encourage and cajole a nation and stimulate debate, that we should have the security police bringing criminal charges against them for violating a constitution, which at the end of the day, as far as I can see, would only be changed by referendum by the Estonian people themselves." Billy Kelleher then goes on to accuse Dr Silberg of being "very disingenuous" in his opposition to Estonia entering the EU: "Which leads me onto another area where I have grave concern, and certainly, obviously, coming from Eastern Europe, you'll be a lot more familiar with the historical problems of Eastern Europe. But I would take the view that the Soviet Union is a very poor example of what the European Union is trying to achieve. The Soviet Union was made up of a dictatorship, as opposed to the European Union, made up of independent democratic countries. So I certainly would feel that it would be very disingenuous if you were using that debate in your own country to discourage people from having a factual insight into what the European Union is about."