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Dr Silberg, Estonia, and the EU

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by halldor, Nov 23, 2002.

  1. halldor

    halldor Registered User

    Dr. Uno Silberg, during the Twenty Second Plenary session of the
    National Forum On Europe, held in St Patrick's Hall, Dublin Castle,
    Ireland, on Thursday 12 September 2002, before an audience of Irish
    politians, accused those Estonians who are pro-EU of treason and
    advocated their arrest. From the transcript of his speech:

    "It is a fact that for activities violating the independence and
    sovereignty, provided for in Article 1 of Estonia's Constitution,
    imprisonment of up to ten years is stipulated. We know that the
    security police do not bring criminal charges against Euro-politicians
    and officials for unconstitutional activities. The motivation is very
    simple. The corpus delicti would consist of the fact that activity
    directed against national independence and sovereignty is in conflict
    with the official state policy. But in Estonia the Constitution is
    violated officially. The treason has been principally economic
    commitment both by members of parliament, who have legal immunity, and
    by members of the government."

    To which a shocked Irish dignitary Billy Kelleher rebuked Dr Silberg:

    "Dr. Silberg, I would just ask, I mean, certainly we would like to
    encourage free speech and free debate, and I suppose by extension you
    will be saying that those of us in this country, which also has a
    constitution, and is an independent country, I think it is a little
    extreme, to say the least, that you will be expecting that those
    people who are just trying to encourage and cajole a nation and
    stimulate debate, that we should have the security police bringing
    criminal charges against them for violating a constitution, which at
    the end of the day, as far as I can see, would only be changed by
    referendum by the Estonian people themselves."

    Billy Kelleher then goes on to accuse Dr Silberg of being "very
    disingenuous" in his opposition to Estonia entering the EU:

    "Which leads me onto another area where I have grave concern, and
    certainly, obviously, coming from Eastern Europe, you'll be a lot more
    familiar with the historical problems of Eastern Europe. But I would
    take the view that the Soviet Union is a very poor example of what the
    European Union is trying to achieve. The Soviet Union was made up of a
    dictatorship, as opposed to the European Union, made up of independent
    democratic countries. So I certainly would feel that it would be very
    disingenuous if you were using that debate in your own country to
    discourage people from having a factual insight into what the European
    Union is about."
  2. Leopoldo Niilus

    Leopoldo Niilus Registered User


    Should probably go to Rick's place.
  3. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    ???Rick's Place- indicating what?
  4. Leopoldo Niilus

    Leopoldo Niilus Registered User

    Most of the nonsense it contains. Nowadays, at least.
  5. jamming

    jamming Banned

    I can understand Estonian feelings about this. Being lead to becoming part of a foreign establishment that requires the surrendering of some sovereignty. So when did the Swiss join the EU?
  6. Leopoldo Niilus

    Leopoldo Niilus Registered User

    In regard to Estonia the jury is still out.

    I only tried to indicate that that Uno Silberg fellow didn't impress me as particularly lucid or representative of anybody. But then it takes all kind of people to make a world.

    I can't speak on behalf of the Swiss. Switzerland ain't Estonia or the other way around.

    However, you may be interested in learning that when the President of Switzerland visited Estonia not so long ago he publicly declared himself all in favor of Estonia joining the Europe Union (although Switzerland had chosen not to do so for the time being). "The more small nations join the EU, the better off we all are", he felt.

    Respectfully submitted

  7. Leopoldo Niilus

    Leopoldo Niilus Registered User

  8. jamming

    jamming Banned

    Re: Uno Silberg's profile

    Sorry I was confused since you list your address in Geneva I thought you must be Swiss, but if the Swiss leadership sees this as good for Estonia, why are not the Swiss going forward?

    Actually that article (though biased), actually was well organized and recognizing the bias, still able to be useful, thanks for the link.
  9. Leopoldo Niilus

    Leopoldo Niilus Registered User

    Re: Re: Uno Silberg's profile

    Ah, you'll have to ask the Swiss. :)

    Glad you found the link useful.



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