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Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by ethics, Nov 7, 2008.

  1. cmhbob

    cmhbob Did...did I do that? Staff Member

    No union where I used to work, and I was making $14/hr in the first year as a brazer. Not too bad, I'd say.
  2. Copzilla

    Copzilla dangerous animal Staff Member

    I have a question for you. With no union there, who was strangling the company into the ground? Were there cigar smoking fatcats all over the place? What ever would you do without a union to look after you if the job conditions got too bad? Maybe quit and get another job? Perish the thought!!!


    Capitalism works just fine here. If a job sucks, the workers leave. The company falters. Proper balance is that it's a two way street. Companies need workers, workers need money from companies. Companies are SUPPOSED to make money, something unions don't seem to understand. And in the case of the Big Three, much to their detriment.
  3. Arc

    Arc Full Member

    Are you typing this on your Wifi laptop while sitting in your Dodge and sucking on long neck Michelob? :haha:

    What brand of cars do the Houston Police and Transit Police drive?

    Government idiots out here are buying Dodge Charger's patrol cars with the 5.7 Liter V8 for cars that are used strictly in the city which is all most all two lane roads and a good portion is residential. Arrrggggggh! :boo:
  4. cmhbob

    cmhbob Did...did I do that? Staff Member

    And the point of this particular post was....what?
  5. Arc

    Arc Full Member

    The post was as I'm sure you can clearly read posted directly to CopZ and based upon previous posts mostly between us and to a lesser degree posts between Leon and myself. I'm confident that CopZ understood the points and everything else about my direct post to him.

    If you are interested you could peruse the thread and you will be able to draw your own conclusions without any influence by me on what that conclusion should be or what my point(s) were.

    That seems to me a more a more practical and accurate of an answer to your question than me explaining the content of about four or five lengthy posts which involve Dodge trucks and Michelob beer all of which among other facts is necessary to answer your question.
  6. Copzilla

    Copzilla dangerous animal Staff Member

    No, sorry, it was lost to me as well.
  7. Arc

    Arc Full Member

    Et tu Brute? ;)

    Well to be honest you need a an NSA "Enigma" type Code Machine to understand my coded post and as much as I wish I could let you have access to one it is beyond my reach. So we can just write my post off as nonsensical or undecipherable! Pass of my response to Bob as being the product of a depraved and indifferent mind coming from one of the rude insensitive members posters as compared to the kind and clear ones. (Hangs head.)

    Have a cold one. I could use one now. I wish it was available. I haven't had one in a couple of months. Hell, you know what, I am going out to get a six pack if I can find one. The slobs in this country have gotten so gluttonous its hard to find a six pack. All they sell are these barrels or cartons of 24 or much larger.

    By the way don't you drink Michelob? Haven't we established that?

    Do you own a Dodge as opposed to a Japanese vehicle?

    If you were setting in the Dodge and posting to GA I assume you would be using a Wifi laptop? Is it reasonable if you were posting to from the parked in the driveway or garage Dodge you might be sipping a cold one?

    Haven't we been debating or discussing the merits of Japanese vehicles versus American.

    Does the Houston PD and Transit PD drive American or Japanese patrol cars?

    Does it make sense to for local police in small towns to buy American 5.7 V8 liter Dodge Chargers? (0r for that matter any patrol vehicle with that size of an engine?)
  8. Arc

    Arc Full Member

    Yep, just as I feared. No regular Micalob. They had Micalob Ultra--light beer, an oxymoron. They had some kind of Micalobe dark malt--whatever that is.

    Had to settle for a 24 oz can of Coors and an 8 1/2 oz bag of Cheetos "Flaming Hot Lime Cruncy." Highly recommended by the American diabetes Academy!

    The food of champions. It complemented my late lunch of three pieces of Louisiana Fried Chicken, (best Cajun style chicken there is), a diet coke and french fries.
  9. Greg

    Greg Full Member

    Just tell them you can explain if they want but then you'll have to kill them. :)

    Yikes!!! ***

    *** was going to insert "holyshit" emoticon x 3 here but the emoticons are broke :holyshit: :holyshit::holyshit::holyshit:
  10. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    Saw in The Financial Times this morning that GM and Chrysler were asking Canada for an infusion of 120BN Canadian!

  11. Greg

    Greg Full Member

    Presuming you mean GM/Canada and Chrysler/Canada? Now that will be interesting to see how another government handles this type of situation.
  12. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    It does not say that, my esteemed all-encompassing expert...

    El Artculo

    ...but I will stand corrected on the amount, $10BN.

  13. Greg

    Greg Full Member

  14. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Barack Obama
    President of the United States

    Dear President Obama:

    I am writing you with a suggestion on how to deal with the US auto industry crisis. The recession and the meltdown of financial markets are the catalysts, but the root of the problem is the manner in which these colossal auto companies have been managed. It’s time to face the truth: The people running the US auto companies are officious bumblers, the products stink, and the unions are a parasitic drain on the business. And yet the Government seems content to throw billions of dollars at the problem. How can we bail out the same people that presided over the destruction of the industry? It is painfully clear that they are incapable of producing products that can compete successfully with German and Japanese rivals.

    As you well know, if GM and Chrysler fail, the US auto industry will suffer a fatal blow – along with our entire economy. We must find a way to not only save the industry, but also make it competitive in the global marketplace. Cars are part of our national fiber, based on an industry that includes a massive ecosystem of vehicles and parts that stretch across our people and economy. However, bailing out the US car makers and investing tax payers’ money in inferior products is no solution. We must strive for a level of competitiveness in the auto industry similar to that which we have attained in the Information Technology industry. Our country’s leadership in the auto industry lies in developing future cars that are more like computers with wheels than mechanical sleighs addicted to dinosaur juice. The future of the automotive industry will be defined by electronics and software. The good news is that there is no country with more talent and capability in this arena than the United States.

    Now the suggestion: Draft Steve Jobs (his health willing) to run a combined GM and Chrysler. After all, who has done a better job developing and marketing products consumers want to buy? Who has been more successful keeping the US ahead of other nations in competitive, technology-based markets? Mr. Jobs has also done right by his shareholders. GM and Chrysler have far too many product lines, most of which are uncompetitive. To compete in the global auto industry, they must develop Macs, iPods and iPhones with wheels. Rather than pouring billions of dollars into these failed companies, why not replace the current management with people capable of changing the way cars are designed, manufactured, powered and sold? I believe Mr. Jobs is the best choice to lead this effort.

    As has been widely reported, Mr. Jobs has some health issues and it is possible that he may not be able to dedicate the time and effort required to put the US auto industry back on firm footing. Only Mr. Jobs knows if he is up to the task. If anyone can convince him to take this on, I suspect it’s you. Should Mr. Job’s be unable to take on the position, in my opinion, great technology leaders including John Chambers at Cisco Systems or Craig Barrett at Intel would also be worthy of your consideration. Both are great Americans and capable of leading the charge.

    It is time for us to put tax payer money behind an executive capable of transforming the automotive industry. I respectfully submit that neither the current leadership behind these companies nor government officials are the answer. We need entrepreneurs, consumer product savants and creative managers capable of effecting change. We need great leaders who can transform cars into computers rather than horse-less carriages. You were elected to the Presidency based on a mandate for change. Making the necessary moves to transform the US auto industry would be a great way to walk the walk. This challenge is a once in a lifetime opportunity to save hundreds of thousands of jobs, hundreds of billions in future GDP, and prevent further deterioration of our nation’s manufacturing sector. This is the time for great Americans to be called upon to serve. I can think of no better leader than Steve Jobs to support America in this time of national crisis. President Obama, I urge you to seriously consider recruiting Mr. Jobs to manage the revitalization of the US auto industry that is so desperately needed. Thank you for your consideration of this suggestion.

    Respectfully yours,

    Todd Dagres,
    Founder and General Partner,
    Spark Capital
  15. Greg

    Greg Full Member

    Heh, heh, heh, like one person could have the answer to our dilemma... Not.
  16. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    This isn't just one person.
  17. Greg

    Greg Full Member

    More than one person wants Steve Jobs specifically?

    That fails my model of a democracy that relies on the citizens rather than one specific person, a cult of personality.
  18. Biker

    Biker Administrator Staff Member

    If Jobs were THAT good, his computers would have the lion's share of the market. Unfortunately, a lot of his stragedy is faulty.
  19. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Not following. Sorry.
  20. Greg

    Greg Full Member

    Following. Sorry. Jobs is not the new Christ.

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