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California, the capital of brainwashing

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by ethics, Jan 21, 2003.

  1. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    People of color are nothing to Americans.... The U.S. would never attack Britain or Germany unless we were attacked first.... Americans attack people of color. We should not tolerate this.

    <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-teachin19jan19,0,4595531.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dcalifornia">Anti-war activists and pacifists spoke to between 5,000 and 10,000 students in sessions that replaced the normal class schedule for 30 schools in Oakland, California.</a>

    One speaker brought a bottle of sludge that he said represented the water that Iraqi children must drink because the U.S. bombed treatment plants; another brought a box of medical supplies that she she said she had tried but failed to take to Iraq a few years ago; and a storyteller read 'peace stories' to elementary school children.

    Mary Prophet, one of the organizers, said that the teach-in was held before the anti-war demonstrations in order to 'develop an awareness' so that the kids and their parents 'could join us at the march.' Dan Siegel, the school board member who proposed the event, received unanimous support for the event from the school board. San Francisco's board of education <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/01/16/BA93241.DTL">has approved its own day of 'discussion.'</a>

    David Pearson, dean of the UC Berkeley Graduate School of Education, thinks that classroom discussions are a vital part of education but that 'schools are obligated to ensure that discussions are balanced.'

    Bill Evers, an education policy specialist with the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, believes it unethical for a public school, with its captive audience, to present one-sided teach-ins: 'And I'd say that if it were an anti-Saddam rally.' Even some who oppose the war expressed disagreement with the event. Kate Coleman, a writer who has reported on the Black Panther Party since 1978, said that Oakland schools should be more concerned about the abysmally low test scores, especially among minority students:

    This is the school system that brought you ebonics.... These kids can't read. Why not have a teach-in teach English?

    But proponents appear unfazed by such criticism, saying that such an event will help to develop critical thinkers. They also claim that they were unable to find anyone to participate who favored the war and, in any case, 'We don't teach students that the Holocaust was a good thing,' explained one organizer who is a member of the Oakland Education Association's Peace and International Relations Committee. Board member Siegel sees more such activities in the future:

    "We're off to a good start. This is just the first round.

    In one other news item,

    "Our teachers and our students here in Oakland are too smart to be victims of propaganda," said Dan Siegel, a member of the school board. "Our goal is to do education and to have people make up their own minds."

    Their goal is "to do education?" Perhaps they could start with remedial English usage?

    So many of the anti-war protests and items of the teach-in agenda have held firmly to aphorisms that are dispelled with only cursory investigation. To wit:

    WE NEED TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE UNITED NATIONS--This is difficult when the UN doesn't even honor its own guidelines. Hussein has violated nearly 20 UN resolutions but they do not want to act against him. He violates the cease-fire and human rights and they do not want to act. And after a unanimous agreement to give Hussein one more chance he laughs it off and they still want to hold back.

    THE IRAQI PEOPLE ARE OPPRESSED AND STARVING AND POVERTY STRICKEN AND...--And somehow this is made to be America's fault. Hussein has chosen to use his oil proceeds to build up his military instead of feeding his people and building hospitals, schools, ect. Removing the tyrant will in fact help these people.

    "WHERE IS THE PROOF?"--His former army ministers have declared Hussein is building nuclear weapons. His finance ministers detailed how millions were paid to terrorists. Britain and other countries have found evidence of his military build up. Arms shipments from Germany, Russia, China, and others have been intercepted over the past few years. If you can't find evidence you haven't been looking.

    THIS WAR WILL BE ANOTHER VIET NAM--Seeing how we chased Hussein out of Kuwait inside of two months makes this pure hyperbole.

    WE ARE ONLY GOING IN THERE FOR THE OIL COMPANIES--Really, then why did we not do this in '91 when the Iraqi army was surrending to unmanned drones and CNN news crews? A new leader would not pipe free oil to America, Iraq would become an OPEC nation once again and their product would be available to the world market.

    THE U.S. ONLY ATTACKS NATIONS OF COLOR--This ignores our doing so to defend nations of color. We liberated Kuwait, and chased out the Taliban to help Afghani citizens, as an example. Let's not forget Bosnian Muslims and Albanians.

    WE WANT A WAR ONLY BECAUSE OUR MILLITARY IS MOSTLY MADE OF MINORITIES--Considering military involvement is purely voluntary I fail to see the inherent racism. If we began to deny admission based on race in order to balance the ratios there would be an equally boistrous outcry from these educators.

    BUSH WANTS A WAR TO BOOST HIS POLL NUMBERS--As stupid a comment as it is cynical, but also undermined when Donald Rumsfeld said if Hussein were to flee into exile there would be no need for us to go in by force.
  2. Coriolis

    Coriolis Bob's your uncle

    In theory, I have no problem with schools having discussions on the matter -- I think kids needs to be informed about the world and current events, if for nothing else to make sure they see the facts... however, this ain't gonna happen if the discussions are completely one sided.

    The anti-war movement, unfortunately, have their heads up their collective asses on this one.
  3. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    Our men in uniform fight to preserve free speech. And the people who expressed their opinions at these teach ins had a right to their opinion. But why is this being done at high school level and below? This is the time to teach the students how to think, not what to think. This is the time to make damn sure you teach all sides so you are not limiting the student's ability to think. These students have now got a head start to being anti-American as long as they live. I hope there are enough level heads in Oakland to insist that a similar day be held for opposing viewpoints and that once that has happened the idea of political activists of whatever ilk taking time from education at these levels is stopped. Even at public universities I think it is the basest political spin doctoring to not have both sides represented. If you are scheduling speakers about polarized issues you should be required to schedule both sides of the debate. Otherwise you are using "education" as a poor excuse to brainwash young impressionable minds. Give them something to think about, not one side of a two sided issue.

    This is so sadly typical of what goes on in this country today. In stead of making sure their kids can think for themselves the majority in Oakland have determined that their stand is so righteous, so correct that they have decided they can force their opinion on the children of people who think otherwise. Sadly they don't realize they are also robbing their own children of the ability to think about all issues before making a decision. Polarizing school systems politically is one of the many reasons our schools are failing at the job they are supposed to be doing.
  4. Steve

    Steve Is that it, then?

    "I hope there are enough level heads in Oakland..."

    In Oakland!?!?! Not bloody likely.
  5. cdw

    cdw Ahhhh...the good life.

    IMHO, these issues should be dealt with in a discussion format in the classes that deal with current events. I see no reason whatsoever for the school to be involved in changing the curriculum (sp?) at all. Parents should be discussing what is going on with their children if it is appropriate for their age.
    If these teachers wanted to do this, it should have been done on their own time at a different location than the school.

    What a bunch of boobs... remind me not to move out there.
  6. Coot

    Coot Passed Away January 7, 2010

    What do you expect....Willie Brown's the mayor there....he succeeded Jerry 'Moonbeam' Brown.
  7. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    This is ridiculous. And not just the general premise, but EVERY POINT of it is ridiculous.

    I know people in the Bay Area, and not one of them knew anything about this. There was no call for people with an opposing view to show up and submit the rationale for conflict in the Middle East.

    I take exceptional umbrage that the US only wages war on "people of color." This is something Spike Lee would say. I cannot possibly fathom how someone could make that a tenet of an argument being held in the United States. They Bay Area has a huge Asian and Hispanic/Latino population, and a fair-sized African American one. If we really wanted to make war on people of color, we could start right here. It would certainly be more economically viable than spending billions to deploy, support, and sustain entire infantry divisions to the other side of the planet.

    Useless tools like these folks should not be anywhere near our children. Heaven forbid moderates should actually try and enforce the standard cirricula, when there are radicals out there who have a much loftier goal.

    Funny thing is, I was considering buying up three Oakland area townhouses, quite near the Berkeley campus. Forget about it now. I'm not providing any city government with tax monies that will allow such one-sided and wholly illegitimate educational practices to occur.

    Now if you'll excuse me, I need to the call the realtors and tell them to bite me.

  8. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Way to go, man, hit them where it hurts.
  9. mikepd

    mikepd Veteran Member

    This would almost be funny if it were not so pathetic. Impressionable young minds need to be given the skills to enable them to digest enough knowledge from a variety of sources to participate in an energetic debate. Form an opinion on a topic, defend it with logic backed up with relevant facts that are in line with your core moral values. Knowledge, skills, logic, core moral values and common sense are things sadly lacking in our school system both public and private. I am glad I got my education many years ago and at least in one regard, glad I do not have children. This is an abysmal commentary on our times.
  10. HaYwIrE

    HaYwIrE Banned

    That's the way Liberals work. The sniveling little pansy ass cowards don't want any publicity because they know damned well they'd get their asses stomped through to China if they were to advertise such bullshit that they call... <small>***COUGH***</small>... "<i>teach-ins</i>". :rolleyes:

    Allow me to reiterate... Thank Christ almighty for home schooling.
  11. Violet1966

    Violet1966 Stand and Deliver Staff Member

    I find it really funny that this crap is allowed and yet you can't say the word God in schools anymore. I know it's not directly addressing this issue but I find it dsigusting that this kind of thing is allowed but people can't go in and talk about religion to kids. They allow this stuff to fill children's heads though, and try and create little anti war advocates...that's fine though. Only giving one view and not letting them think it through themselves. It's brainwashing and if I was a parent of one of those kids, I'd have filed a lawsuit or something. I hate to think that way but this was going too far. This deserves someone to get sued or something. Punished somehow in some way. Sick.
  12. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Two wrongs do not equal to a right, though, Violet. Teaching kids of God is something towards the other extreme in public schools.

    I mean, it would probably be equal to something like:

    Enid Possumpouch, one of the organizers of the 'Life Begins at Conception/Evolution is a Lie Because the World Was Made in Seven Days' teach-in said that her take over of a public classroom was held before the blockading of a local abortion clinic 'to develop an awareness'.
  13. Robert Harris

    Robert Harris Passed Away Aug. 19, 2006

    I thought Brown was mayor of San Francisco, across the bay from Oakland.
  14. Coot

    Coot Passed Away January 7, 2010

    Dang, I'm not as up to date on my wild eyed leftist politicians. Jerry Brown is the current mayor of Oakland....Willie Brown is the current mayor of SF.
  15. Robert Harris

    Robert Harris Passed Away Aug. 19, 2006

    That's OK. We understand. After all, we expect conservatives to be not quite with it. Comes from always looking backwards. :_
  16. Misu

    Misu Hey, I saw that.

    <i>WE WANT A WAR ONLY BECAUSE OUR MILLITARY IS MOSTLY MADE OF MINORITIES--Considering military involvement is purely voluntary I fail to see the inherent racism. If we began to deny admission based on race in order to balance the ratios there would be an equally boistrous outcry from these educators. </i>

    Oh man, does this statement hit home. Over the weekend, there were protestors here in Orlando, and they had signs up saying HONK FOR PEACE. After I slapped my mom's hand away from my horn, part of the 'interesting discussion' we has was that, according to my mother, the US Gov't is sending ALL it's hispanic military people off to war first. That every hispanic enrolled in the military has been called to active duty.

    I was like " :eek: MOM ARE YOU CRAZY?!?" And she told me that this is what they are reporting on the Hispanic news channels. I was like :eek::eek::eek:

    Talk about propoganda for the Pro-Hussein camp.
  17. Steve

    Steve Is that it, then?

    How utterly fascinating that the one institution of the U.S. government, the military, that has single-handedly done more for the integration of minorities into society, is being accused now of sending those very same minorities off to die first.

    How utterly disgusting.
  18. Violet1966

    Violet1966 Stand and Deliver Staff Member

    You're right. I think one should be dissallowed as much as the other. I find it insane to think that someone can come in and preach any beliefs to my child. This to me, sounds like it's along the same lines as someone coming in and preaching religion. It's a belief system which is based on personal views. If anything, I'd rather have my kids hear the word God once in a while in school, then to be brainwashed to believe something they haven't even thought through themselves yet. It disgusts me that this wasn't seen as preaching. It's the same thing.

    Me personally, I would have someone's head. There are men and women who go out and do their duty to fight for our country and don't need to come home to children who look down on them for doing what was asked of them by our government, to keep those same children safe. It leads to that most of the time from what we've seen in the past. Like what happened back in Vietnam with the returning vets. Sad they had to deal with that shit. Infuriates me!!! It just disgusts me. :mad:
  19. Misu

    Misu Hey, I saw that.

    Stupid question - were the parents of the students informed that this was going to take place?

    Did parents sign some sort of consent form where they were asked if it was OK for the school to change the curriculum on the students for 1 day, and expose kids to this one-sided anti-war rally?

    I know if I were a parent and the school did this to my kid, I'd be calling up a lawyer and filing a lawsuit because I was never informed of what they would be exposing my child to. I was under the impression that education for minors was not supposed to involve weird politics like anti-war rallies.
  20. Misu

    Misu Hey, I saw that.

    Steve, that's exactly what I said! I told my mom about all the different races in the military, about how the military was really the first to integrate whites with other minorities (including hispanics) and she believes the crap on TV over what I was telling her. I'm like, "Mom I can email you links supporting this as fact - Can the TV provide links to prove this?" She still doesn't care.

    And if my mom, who I consider to be a pretty intelligent and open-minded woman, believes the reports on tv (because it's not just 1 hispanic television station, and it wasn't just 1 news cast - it seems to be an ongoing thing), then what are other minorities being told and believing?

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