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Bush Attacks Bigots

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by ethics, Nov 15, 2002.

  1. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance, Mr. Secretary General, and we respect the faith and we welcome people of all faiths in America. And we're not going to let the war on terror or terrorists cause us to change our values.


    In opening statements prior to meeting with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, President Bush <a href="http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=search&StoryID=1734224">took on the Christian Right</a>, his core supporters, for their intolerance of Islam.

    Tele-evangelist Pat Robertson said that Muslims were 'worse than Nazis', Jerry Falwell called Muhammad a 'terrorist', and Franklin Graham has also criticized Islam. Said a spokesperson for Council on American-Islamic Relations, 'It's encouraging to see that the president is finally addressing the issue of Islamophobia in America by addressing a specific attacks on Islam.'

    Meanwhile the Human Rights Watch said that the Bush administration should have been better prepared to fight the hate crime wave after September 11th. The report entitled <a href="http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/usahate/">'We Are Not The Enemy'</a> details the murder, assaults, arson and attacks on places of worship after the terrorist attacks of 2001. The reports says that 'The strengths and weaknesses of official responses to the Sept. 11 backlash reflect strengths and weaknesses of the official response to all hate crimes.'

    The United States has always been in a peculiar situation regarding hate crimes, we praise tolerance on one hand and we worship the First Amendment on the other. The enforcement of hate crime laws seems haphazard at best and consistently ineffectual.

    With President Bush's support proven in the latest elections, will he have more surprises in store such as the attack on the Christian Right? Will he be able to make peace with the American Muslim community and direct the nation into a more tolerant mood? Or are we there?
     
  2. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    In my case I never endorsed the hate all muslims movement and I do not now. It flies in the face of common sense, logic, and the writings of Muslims. In my experience people who want to hate will. All we can do is enact laws against criminal acts and then enforce them. Any law that adds another layer, ie, a hate law, is merely window dressing and when you look at charging twice for the same crime should probably be unconstitutional.
     
  3. Misu

    Misu Hey, I saw that.

    Just one minute here. Pakistan has protestors in the streets, burning American flags and parading poster boards with KILL ALL AMERICANS because a Pakistani was put to death in our legal system yesterday (or day before)... Yet when American wackos do basically the same thing, which is ignorantly hate, our entire GOV'T is PRESSURED to ADDRESS this?

    WTF?
     
  4. -Ken

    -Ken Guest

    Oh my God, someone get Haywire some smelling salts!

    I think I'm getting dizzy, I think the President just agreed with me. It
    must be a flashback or something. I think I'm hearing Hendrix's music!
     
  5. Coriolis

    Coriolis Bob's your uncle

    <small>I'm a voodo child, oooh Lord, I'm a voodo child...</small>

    Don't worry Ken, that's just Dubya's way of pre-emptively deflecting the assualt from the left when she starts carpet bombing an Islamic nation.

    [Edit -- oops, did I say she? :eek: ]
     
  6. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    We are better than they are.
     
  7. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    She?
     
  8. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    I can't disagree.

    SM
     
  9. FrankF

    FrankF #55170-054

    The Christian Right, Baptists, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, Amish, Mormons, etc. are ALL bigots. They ALL teach intolerance... in one form or another.
     
  10. wapu

    wapu Veteran Member

    Show me a Mormon teaching of Bigotry and intollerance.
     
  11. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    Didn't Mormons discriminate against blacks until just recently?

    SM
     
  12. wapu

    wapu Veteran Member

  13. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    Prevented them from joining their church. Never recruited them. Until their head supposedly "had a dream and a vision from God" one night which told him it was good to allow blacks into their church.

    For the donation money, one could only presume.

    I would say compare the induction stats of Brigham-Young from ten years ago to today.

    SM
     
  14. FrankF

    FrankF #55170-054

    Bigotry and intolerance are not necessarily related to race, sex, national origion, religion, handicap, or sexual orientation....

    (Most) Mormons generally disapprove of drinking alcohol and smoking. The State of Utah government (mostly run by Mormon politicians) generously limits the amount of alcohol permitted in a drink, limits the hours you may drink in a bar or restaurant on Sundays (which rules do not apply on other days), and requires you to buy your alcohol from state run stores.

    If you have ever traveled on business to Salt Lake City ( as I have on several occasions) and buy a pack of cigarettes and a twelve pack of beer to take back to your hotel room... you will notice people in line behind you are sometimes rude. They do the same in restaurants. They give you looks of disgust like "look, that scumbag is buying cigarettes and beer".

    These laws and peoples attitudes are rooted in the Mormon religion's belief that tobacco and alcohol are bad for you. Not because they are bad for you in the medical sense, but because the Mormon Church says that they are bad.

    Christians and other organized religions maintain control over the liquor, tobacco, pornography, and sex toy industries in most southern and midwest states too.
     
  15. wapu

    wapu Veteran Member

    Damn Mormons. That was supposed to ba a secret. How did the rest of you find out? Yes, we had a ban on ordaining blacks until 1978. And yes Utah once allowed slavery. I lose.
     
  16. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    Well, Utah allowing slavery is probably a matter of public record.

    You're a Mormon, I take it?

    SM
     
  17. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    Amen - how a Sunday ban by government on anything is not unconstitutional I don't know.
     
  18. mikeky

    mikeky Member

    I find these type things particularly distasteful. Shortly after 911 I remember Bush as well as many local leaders condemning attacks on Arab-Americans. What else could have been done, short of providing personal body guards? How could the Bush Administration be responsible for the individual actions of every whacko and moron that took it up themselves to attack others? They couldn't; but I guess it makes for a neat-souding little report that can be used for Bush-bashing.
     
  19. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    Well, you can't hold a faulty memory against everyone. ;)

    I remember Bush saying these things specifically, and no one was more pissed about that day than me.

    SM
     
  20. jamming

    jamming Banned

    Yeah it was about a month after the IRS came by to say, "let blacks in or lose the old tax exempt status."
     

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