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Appeals Court Upholds La. Sodomy Law

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by ethics, Nov 22, 2002.

  1. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Louisiana's 197-year-old sodomy law does not discriminate against gays and lesbians, a state appeals court ruled.

    The 4th Circuit Court of Appeal ruled 2-1 on Wednesday against a gay advocacy group, leaving Louisiana's sodomy law intact.

    "This decision continues to put Louisiana outside the mainstream," said John D. Rawls, an attorney for Louisiana Electorate of Gays and Lesbians Inc., which challenged the law.

    "We are still the only state whose courts deny a right to privacy to its citizens, we are still the only state whose courts have upheld sodomy laws, we are still back in the 18th century unfortunately," he said.

    Full Yahoo Story

    I can't comment any further than Mr. Rawls statement. I even think it's an insult to 18th century culture for the comparison.
  2. RRedline

    RRedline Veteran MMember

    Note to self: Stay out of Louisiana. :nut:

    Seriously, do those clowns down there know that the Spanish Inquisition is over? How can any state allow silly laws which dictate what its citizens may or may not do behind closed doors to exist?

    So is oral sex okay or do we need to arrest every Louisiana citizen over the age of 20? How about masturbation? Double penetration? Three-ways? Tittie-f-ing?

    Alabama and Louisiana are fighting over who gets to be the shit hole of the USA.
  3. jamming

    jamming Banned

    Thanks alot Ethics there goes my idea for free trips for everyone in the GA Forum Convention in New Orleans. Since Btdude and Rredline won't show up the Pol....erh....sponsors won't pay for the rest of us. ;)
  4. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    New Orleans would be affected huh? Bummer. There goes the MG festivities...

    And I so wanted to see many... well, beads and stuff.
  5. mike

    mike mesmerized

    If I am not mistaken, do not a bunch of US states have odd sodomy laws, especially those applying to heterosexuals as well??

    NC and oral sex? UT and some dumbass Sodom & Gomorrah type sh!t?

    Not that my wife and I pay any attention to such laws......
  6. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    Since this was a US Court of Appeals there must be pertinent details of the arguments or the law that we non legal types do not see right away.
  7. EMIG

    EMIG Yup

    Good catch Shiny. The appeals court did not find that is does not violate the right to privacy. It found that it does not violate equal protection. That's because it applies to heterosexuals that engage in sodomy as well.

    They just appealed on the wrong grounds.
  8. mike

    mike mesmerized

    That's it-send us to hell, and jail-my wife and I pleasured each other orally........[edited]
  9. Jedi Writer

    Jedi Writer Guest

    It may be a terrible decision. It may a good decision. Why the waffle? Because the Yahoo story is atrocious!

    As someone with an extensive legal background I can tell you that the story does not tell you shit about:

    1. What was the actual lawsuit alleging and what was the plaintiffs specic argument to have it overturned or ruled unconsitutional?

    2. What exactly was before the court and what reasons did the court give under those specific circumstances or arguments that caused it to rule the way it did? The court does give a written decision as to why it rules the way it does.

    A hpothetical example: If the law says no one can practice sodomy than it does not discriminate against gays as it applies to straights, bisexuals and anyone else. It applies to everyone. To carry that same hypothetical a step forward if the suit had been the law should be unconsitutional if it applies to the privacy of the bedroom because that would be a violation of the Fourth Amendment--other such "sex" cases such as Griswald have been declared as such.

    But is that what the law says? Who knows.

    So, I neither defend or condemn the decision. We are arguing or discussing something that is a legal issue and and none of us know anything about it thanks to Yahoo.
  10. Misu

    Misu Hey, I saw that.

    Actually that law is against gays, though. The only way a gay couple can be sexually active is to partake in (duh) sex. If they can't have oral sex, they can't have a fully sexual relationship.
  11. btdude

    btdude Veteran Member

    O alrighty then. LOL DIS IZ NOT DA ONLY WAY

    Trust me on this one. Without getting explicit, let's just say that the mouth is a very good way to provide that moist contracting expanding place. It is also quite helpful when the person has no gag reflex. Frankly, I have had straight women ask me how I do the oral thing, without gagging. And, yes, it goes all the way DOWN. LOL NUFF SAID. LOL

    Now then, Many states still have sodomy laws, true enough. I think someone has pointed out that those same laws are generally applied to hetero as well as homo acts of the same. LOL This is laughable, because can anyone tell me of a straight couple they have spoken to, who does not at least think of anal sex? Again, Nuff said.
  12. RRedline

    RRedline Veteran MMember

    I can't believe anyone would support keeping these laws in the books. Regardless whether or not even heterosexuals like to have anal sex on occasion, why shouldn't it be legal? I don't care what the laws currenty are. I want to hear a legitimate argument for why anal sex should be outlawed.

    It's okay to smoke cigarettes in your car with the windows rolled up and two babies in the back seat, but I can't perform a certain sex act in the privacy of my own home with another consenting adult? Puh leeeeeze.
  13. Sunriser13

    Sunriser13 Knee Deep in Paradise

    The definition of sodomy includes oral-genital contact as well as anal intercourse, and in some definitions even encompasses bestiality.

    Whether or not this is to target gays specifically, it is invasive of the privacy of all. Personally, I'm tired of the government (and the churches, for that matter) trying to dictate what goes on between two consenting adults behind closed doors. Legislation of the most personal acts of either heterosexual or homosexual folks just speaks to me of going too damn far.
  14. Violet1966

    Violet1966 Stand and Deliver Staff Member

    This is pathetic. The funny thing is that like how can they prove it and enforce it anyway?? Oh you two are gay...you must be breaking the law. And I'll be damned if anyone is gonna tell me where I can put even my hetero mouth or where my husband can put his hetero penis in me. They can take their laws back to the dark ages is right.

    http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm Just look how messed up things are. :mad:
  15. btdude

    btdude Veteran Member

    LOL Thanks for the link Violet. Looks like RED man can do stuff in PA, whilst those of us in VA continue to live in sin. (slaps forehed)

    OOPS EDIT In PA anal sex is just good ole' deviate sexual intercourse behavior. Whereas in VA the act is a crime against nature. LOL OMG Does this mean that all of those gay Sheep they did studies on were not products of nature? HMMM
  16. Valkyre

    Valkyre Crazy Viking Woman

    I found this link here talking about it:

    What's kind of interesting, is this paragraph:

    "The state has argued the law is needed to promote marriage and encourage procreation. The state has also contended it has the authority to outlaw immoral conduct and impose penalties for engaging in it."
  17. Domh

    Domh Full Member


    A heterosexual couple who have never engaged in sodomy are just about guaranteed to do so after a few years of monogamous marriage.

    After a number of years of the same ole' thing, screwing/getting screwed in the ass is just something that happens, fer cryin out loud, often along with whips, chains, handcuffs, dildos, rubbers, swings, loads of porn and occasionally chickens.

    what I want to see is these stupid podunk asshole states step up and actually enforce these laws! I want to see the LA SODOMY SQUAD on the next episode of COPS!

    Then the media gets a whiff of it, and the supreme court ends the pathetic insanity for good.

    What I do in my own home is NOBODYS BUSINESS!

  18. btdude

    btdude Veteran Member

    ROFLMAO @ Domhain! WELCOME Kind of funny how you and I end up breaking the same laws, huh?

    And, I think it took guts to be that graphic, I am hopeful your wife will not be upset with you. Facts are facts, and I appreciate the honesty.
  19. ethics

    ethics Pomp-Dumpster Staff Member

    Did he say chicken?
  20. RRedline

    RRedline Veteran MMember

    I believe that this term may have evelved a bit over the past twenty years or so. I always thought it meant any sexual activity other than vaginal intercourse. That would mean that oral and anal would both be considered sodomy. However, many dictionaries I've recently checked define it as just anal sex or bestiality. I wonder if that was done to exclude heterosexuals from being labelled criminals by certain states' silly laws? Or perhaps it was just so often misunderstood and thought to be referring to anal sex.

    All I know is that a very large percentage of heterosexuals have performed acts of sodomy, regardless which definition you use. In my opinion, no state should be permitted to enforce laws like these. If there isn't an amendment to the Constitution about this, there very well should be.

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