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Al Queda in Cuba...

Discussion in 'Issues Around the World' started by bruzzes, Nov 14, 2002.

  1. bruzzes

    bruzzes Truthslayer

    Interesting story about the detention of suspected Al Queda in Cuba.


    Full story here:


    Freed Pakistani prisoner recounts ordeal in Guantanamo prison

    Islamabad, Nov 15, IRNA -- Mohammad Sagheer, the first Pakistani to
    be freed from the American prison in Guantanamo, Cuba, awaits American
    response to his call for compensation, saying his business had been
    destroyed because of his "illegal detention"...

    ... Recounting days of his captivity, Sagheer said his beard, mustache
    and hair were shaved forcibly before boarding a plane in Kandahar.
    "The early days in Cuba were very difficult. The Americans did not
    allow us to give call for prayers (Azan) and to offer prayers. They
    beat the prisoners and held them from neck when they gave call to
    "Some Arabs were beaten so badly that they fell unconscious and
    were taken to hospital," he added.
    He said that the soldiers had to give prisoners 10 minutes to
    finish meal and would take away the food after ten minutes. "We
    protested it and went on hunger strike. Then they allowed us call to
    prayers and to offer prayers and extended eating time up to 30
    Sagheer said Americans held those who spit at the soldiers in a
    a special room, which they called "India block".
    "Once I was taken to India block for solitary confinement. The
    block had cells, which were enclosed from four sides. They pump severe
    cold air into it to punish the prisoners."
    About interrogation, Sagheer said, "Two interrogators and one
    translator interrogate the people. They always ask the prisoners why
    and how they went to Afghanistan. (They ask) where is Osama bin
    Laden (and if) they know any al-Qaeda man among the Guantanamo
    "They show prisoners photos and ask them if they know any of
    them," he said, adding the interrogation was always conducted while
    four sets of chains were put around the prisoner's body.
    Asked about his feelings when he was informed about his release,
    he said, "I laughed when the new American general -- a sergeant --
    and several soldiers along with a translator came to my cage and told
    me that I would be freed and sent to Pakistan".
    "Then I was shifted to a room from the cage. Three Afghans were
    also brought there. We were kept for almost 12 days there which had a
    TV set and VCRs.
    Sagheer was arrested by the forces loyal to Afghan warlord General
    Abdul-Rashid Dostam in the northern Afghan province of Kunduz where
    he was for propagation.
    "I was among 250 people, who were shifted to Shiberghan in
    containers. At least 50 were killed due to suffocation," he said.
    "Then we were shifted to Kandahar. After few days we were put in
    a truck at the Kandahar airport and then we boarded a plane. I was
    blindfolded. My hands and legs were tied, my mouth was gagged and my
    ears shut. I did not know where I was being taken. We were given an
    apple in a plane.
    "Later they gave bread and another apple. The plane landed
    apparently for fuel," Sagheer went on to say. He said the American
    soldiers told the prisoners that they had been shifted to Cuba after
    the plane landed.

  2. jamming

    jamming Banned

    Same kind of Stories came out about us holding Iraqi POW's, during and after Desert Storm and just about as factual. Many of the Iraqi POW's, pleaded not to be sent back to Iraq. Yeah this makes sense all kinds of sense, not. If we were all that evil he would of never made it back to Pakistan, he would of had an accident. Amazing how people never seem to see the flaws in the logic of their stories.
  3. bruzzes

    bruzzes Truthslayer

    I posted the story without editorial comment.
    Yeah, we can selectively post links and stories to reflect personal opinion, but to assume that is true in all cases is...well, read my post sig.

    My point is we all have selected hearing at times.
    After 9/11 and the damage done in the attack on our way of life, I could see how our boys might not be too fond of their enemies.

    Whether the story is true or not is irrelevent. Who is to judge the veracity of truth and what is it's criteria?

    You make a very valuable insight in your response.

    That was the purpose of the post. To show a different side from what we all want to believe. Cruel punishment can be rationalized and even justified. To think Americans are incapable of administring this type of punishment is a bit short-sighted.

    I appreciate your comments and agree completely with you.
    However, others may see a different point of view when reading the story...

    My purpose IS to see the different ways of interpretation.
    I have always been amazed how ten different people can either view an event , or read an account and come to different conclusions.

    Thanks for your response:)
  4. Coriolis

    Coriolis Bob's your uncle

    I think this captures the essence of the argument. Why are we (not indicating anyone in particular) so quick to assume such stories are just hogwash? I do not find it difficult to believe that a suspected terrorist would be mistreated, and furthermore, there's probably little danger in just letting them go when found innocent (as opposed to ensuring they have an "accident" on the way home) because apparently the vast majority of Americans are not going believe it anyway.
  5. Jedi Writer

    Jedi Writer Guest

    Thanks for posting the interesting story from the IRNA, Islamic Republic News Agency. The guy went through hell! Some people claim much of his claims are fabricated and lies but they are foolish. If the IRNA reported it they must have corroborated the guy's story and then just printed the facts.

    I had never heard of the IRNA until your post. I've added them to my IE news favorites right below BBC, CCN, FoxNews, and just above MSNBC. After all all five are hardcore just the facts and no agenda news reporting agencies. Right?
  6. Robert Harris

    Robert Harris Passed Away Aug. 19, 2006


    "If the IRNA reported it they must have corroborated the guy's story and then just printed the facts."

    "I had never heard of the IRNA until your post."

    Interesting two lines. You had never heard of them, but if they print it it must be true?

    Do you be;lieve everything you read?
  7. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    He's being facetious, Robaire. :)

  8. Jedi Writer

    Jedi Writer Guest

  9. Robert Harris

    Robert Harris Passed Away Aug. 19, 2006


    I was trying to get a little ruckus going. It is getting quiet and dull here since you were muzzled.
  10. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    Me? Muzzled? NEVER!

  11. Robert Harris

    Robert Harris Passed Away Aug. 19, 2006

    Steve, even if not muzzled, you have become awfully tame lately. It's been days since you threatened to kill anyone.

    Perhaps it is the calming influence of all of the sweet, gentle women who are here now.
  12. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    Hey Steve, you open to suggestions?
  13. jamming

    jamming Banned

    He isn't muzzled he is merely sonically-suppressed, like the newer Sniper Rifles. You may hear the ballistic crack of the bullet breaking the sound barrier, but it is much harder to tell from where it comes.
  14. bruzzes

    bruzzes Truthslayer

    <small>Sure, read his kid's post about love...

    The girls here are taming the BIG GUY.</small>

    But back to the original thread...

    I found the News Site on Drudge Reports.
    I find it more credible to see articles from around the world rather from just the US. Not that any are necessarily more truthful than any other.

    I too, was hoping for action on the topic rather than the chat room atmosphere here...;)

    I was searching for some common event or article that could elicit various interpretations.

    Any thoughtful reflection on the original article?
  15. -Ken

    -Ken Guest


    Anything to oblige.

    Whether the events in the "news article" were reported accurately,
    journalistically enhanced or even happened at all is really not what is
    important here. The real issue is people everywhere will believe what
    they choose to.

    Publish these stories and they gain credibility all on their own. What I
    would like to address is the propaganda value these stories generate.

    <i>There will undoubtedly be the fools who not only believe these stories
    (in entirety) but will repeat them every chance they get. To make matters
    worse, they will enhance the story each time they tell it until the lie takes
    on a life of its own. Other will believe them and repeat the process. At some
    point it will become the common wisdom <u>you know, everybody knows that!</i></u>

    The funny thing about the above (italicized) paragraph is that while we can
    readily see the parallel to the story about the "mistreatment" of these prisoners
    at the hands of us Godless souls, it also holds true of the Americans who took
    obscure Quran passages, created websites and made outrageous claims of 1/3
    of the world's population are terrorists based on the tripe they generated.

    Alas, we are they, they are actually us but if we can't find a
    way to live peacefully with them, we all aren't going to make it.
    <small>And that would really piss me the fuck off! We wouldnt want that, would we?</small>
  16. ShinyTop

    ShinyTop I know what is right or wrong!

    One point you make is that no matter what we do somebody will lie about it, others will believe it, and believing it they will act. Pretty much stops all worry about what effect our policies will have, doesn't it?
  17. bruzzes

    bruzzes Truthslayer

  18. Perry Stroika

    Perry Stroika Member

    Russia would never stand for Cuba having any Muslim scum in Cuba. Not now not ever. I know Castro knows this too.
  19. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member


  20. Sierra Mike

    Sierra Mike The Dude Abides Staff Member

    Always. ;)


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