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halldor
03-10-2003, 06:10 AM
"Democracy is the illusion of freedom"


This is a sentiment that is often expressed by the "progressive" left in their opposition to Western representative democracy, which they interpret as an illusionary structure intended to mislead the masses and prevent them from developing a true consciousness of their situation.

Yet in other parts of the world, democracy has been a scarce commodity. For example, 12 years ago in Eastern Europe, people greeted the advent of their freedom almost in disbelief, after decade upon decade of tyranny and intimidation from the Soviet Union. Yet the freedom was real, and so far it has lasted.

Perhaps it's easier for us in the West to cast doubts on the value of democracy. Perhaps if you have it already, it's easier to say: "oh, it's just an illusion of freedom." It's interesting that last month,at the time of the huge street demonstrations in West European capitals, the streets of East European cities were conspicuously quiet. Was that because East Europeans are still afraid of expressing their views? Or was it because many of them actually supported US and UK policy on Iraq and the Middle East?

Given the size and extent of the massive demonstrations that took place in Eastern Europe 12 years ago, at the time of the fal of communism, one might have expected a repeat of such demonstrations. So - by refraining from public protest, were East Europeans actually expressing their support for Western democracy in the face of a type of tyranny that is all too familiar to them from the past?

halldor

bruzzes
03-10-2003, 07:00 AM
Hard to say halldor.

In this case, the 9/11 was percieved to be an attack against the US whereas it actually attacked many countries at the same time.
Although there has been no strong linkage that Iraq was involved in a direct way, it ushered in an implementation of a new doctrine.
Iraq, Iran and North Korea are the focus points of this new doctrine.

I believe that since the attack did not affect Eastern Europe directly that the people there are not directly involved in it's outcome. The leaders of those countries do remember the past, but again their concern is more for the support of the US in NATO and as a hedge against the Russian tyranny that they have experianced.

Just my opinion...

midranger4
03-10-2003, 10:53 AM
I am very humbled that my sig line has spawned a thread ;)

My meaining behind the words "Democracy is the Illusion of Freedom" can be found in this post (http://www.globalaffairs.org/forum/showthread.php?postid=79094#post79094).

I consider all governments little more than *crowd control* on a much larger scale and although democracy is surely the most appealing form of crowd control it is not perfect and some freedoms are more percieved than they are real.

halldor
03-10-2003, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by bruzzes


I believe that since the attack did not affect Eastern Europe directly that the people there are not directly involved in it's outcome.

Are the people in Western Europe directly involved? What is the difference in this respect between someone in Prague and someone in (for example) Vienna?

The leaders of those countries do remember the past, but again their concern is more for the support of the US in NATO and as a hedge against the Russian tyranny that they have experianced.

I'm not sure I follow this argument. What other concern would they have?

h.

halldor
03-10-2003, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by midranger4
I am very humbled that my sig line has spawned a thread ;)

My meaining behind the words "Democracy is the Illusion of Freedom" can be found in this post (http://www.globalaffairs.org/forum/showthread.php?postid=79094#post79094).

I consider all governments little more than *crowd control* on a much larger scale and although democracy is surely the most appealing form of crowd control it is not perfect and some freedoms are more percieved than they are real.

The reason I started a new thread with a reference to your sig line is that I think it's a highly controversial statement, and one that could give rise to much discussion. :)

I certainly agree with you that democracy is not perfect - in fact, that is it's charm, and is what imo sets it above dictatorships and tyrannies which can indeed be perfect - though in a perfectly destructive sense.

h.

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