View Full Version : Chavez loses his referendum.
Swamp Fox
12-04-2007, 09:29 PM
Try as he might, he still loses. (http://economist.com/daily/news/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10238639&top_story=1) :happy:
chaichaoyi
12-06-2007, 07:03 AM
He conceded defeat. At least he did not dispute the results or carry it to the supreme court.
ShinyTop
12-06-2007, 10:25 AM
Good point, maybe you can visit web sites there, a country you might admire and not have to slam every post.
chaichaoyi
12-06-2007, 10:56 AM
I just act as a counterbalance to the uniform voice from people who tend to reinforce their opinions by staying together with like-minded fellows.
As I see it, Chavez might be the best leader Venezuela ever had. He has got the mandate (in the form of high popularity), the ethics (his concern for the poor, and his determination to work under the constitutional framework) and to a lesser extent, the competency (consider the failure of past leaders to tackle the delicate politics of that country, Chavez is successful by comparison). And now let's see what Mr. Bush has....
He conceded defeat. At least he did not dispute the results or carry it to the supreme court.
If you seriously believe he's going to roll over and give up, I have a couple bridges and some 'prime land' in the Everglades for sale. Inquire within.
Besides, he controls the courts down there, but I really can't connect how Democrats whining they lost an election here in this country has anything to do with a socialist Venezuelan thug named Chavez trying to be dictator for life.
tke711
12-06-2007, 12:56 PM
I really think he's much more communist then he is socialist. Time will tell of course, but that certainly seems to be the path he wants to take.
ethics
12-06-2007, 04:14 PM
As I see it, Chavez might be the best leader Venezuela ever had. He has got the mandate (in the form of high popularity), the ethics (his concern for the poor, and his determination to work under the constitutional framework) and to a lesser extent, the competency (consider the failure of past leaders to tackle the delicate politics of that country, Chavez is successful by comparison). And now let's see what Mr. Bush has....
You can take a person out of Communist country, but you can't take Communism out of a person.
chaichaoyi
12-07-2007, 04:22 AM
A real Communist won't bother with mandate, ethics or competency. Face it, Chavez is playing on a democratic platform. It's the very fact that one can lead a nation in that radical direction despite the institutional restraints that is pissing off so many Western observers. But it only further proves the awesome political skills possessed by Chavez (this is, of course, not intended as a praise, even Mao or Hitler possesses such skills).
Btw, you sleep quite late.
ethics
12-07-2007, 12:47 PM
Few facts for you:
1. Chavez is playing on a democratic platform.
Voting is not the sole nor the only, nor the most important part of the Democracy. It's only a start. To call what Venezuela has a Democracy is a bit disingenuous.
2. It's the very fact that one can lead a nation in that radical direction despite the institutional restraints that is pissing off so many Western observers.
I don't know many people here in the US who really care what Chavez does. Observers? There will always be those that are unhappy with this and that. One of those is Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. It's safe to say that Chavez is a non-issue here in the US and his posturing is comical.