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ethics
10-09-2007, 09:11 AM
Unreal.

This really makes me want to vote Republican if she is running. I can't vote for someone who would have this bastard under their umbrella.

http://www.examiner.com/a-977346~He_s_back__Sandy_Berger_now_advising_Hillary_Clinton. html

tke711
10-09-2007, 09:13 AM
Wow....just wow. Why on God's green earth would Hillary even let herself be remotely linked to Berger, let alone hire the man?????

ethics
10-09-2007, 09:14 AM
Wow....just wow. Why on God's green earth would Hillary even let herself be remotely linked to Berger, let alone hire the man?????

Great question. You will have a lot of centrists who didn't mind her be totally completely turned off by this. She indirectly tied herself to John Kerry.

tke711
10-09-2007, 09:16 AM
And she directly tied herself to a man who stole and destroyed classified documents for her husband, and got away with it.

Bringing Berger into the fold invites, no it actually begs, her opponents to start bringing up all the old shit.

Very, very stupid move on her part, and surprising because up until now she's run a flawless campaign.

ethics
10-09-2007, 09:25 AM
Very, very stupid move on her part, and surprising because up until now she's run a flawless campaign.

That's what gets me.

tke711
10-09-2007, 10:27 AM
One has to wonder if Berger really did destroy all the documents, or if he kept one or two and is now holding them over her head because he needs a job now that all his credibility is gone?

Sounds like a bad movie, I know, but I just can't figure out why she would bring him into the fold.

MNeedham73
10-09-2007, 10:30 AM
Wow, that is extremely stupid on her part. I can just see it if she were to become president:

Nat'l Security Advisor: Sandy Berger
Transportation Secretary: Ted Kennedy
Education Secretary: Ward Churchill
Treasury Secretary: Norman Hsu

;)

Kangaroo
10-09-2007, 12:48 PM
One has to wonder if Berger really did destroy all the documents, or if he kept one or two and is now holding them over her head because he needs a job now that all his credibility is gone?


Bingo. Although I do think she has liberalmediaitis. A common disease that afflicts many liberal politicians. They think that the broadcast news and a handful of powerful, widely read newspapers will never critically examine the past as it is painted by the candidate, check 'facts' stated by the candidate, or call into question the candidates flip-flopping on issues. John Kerry had a terminal case. Hillary will see just how insidious the disease can be when she attempts to re-cast her past while literally hundreds of people with audiences in the tens of millions pin her to the wall with her own lies. Mark my words, not once will words to the effect that she made a mistake, ever, will pass her lips this campaign; it will always be someone else's fault.

Andy
10-09-2007, 01:00 PM
Nat'l Security Advisor: Sandy Berger
Transportation Secretary: Ted Kennedy
Education Secretary: Ward Churchill
Treasury Secretary: Norman Hsu



Press Secretary: Jayson Blair

MNeedham73
10-09-2007, 01:02 PM
lol, or Dan Rather

ravital
10-09-2007, 02:33 PM
You will have a lot of centrists who didn't mind her be totally completely turned off by this.

Everybody wants to be level-headed, reasonable, calm, fair, unbiased, non-partisan, honest. At least everybody here. We all want to be the kind of voter who makes a decision not based on the negative but the positive, not based on what a candidate does to discourage us, but what a candidate does to attract and persuade us. We all want to vote for someone, not against someone.

And yet, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, sometimes a snake is just a snake, a leopard won't change its spots, and this woman won't ever be anything but what she is now. She wants power to force her enlightenment down our throats, no matter what it takes. And people will forgive her this appointment, like they forgive her so much else, like they forgive her raping the environment when it suits her, because she planted trees in Afghanistan, because she's a woman, because she's a democrat, because she's bill wife. This too will be forgotten by election day.

cdw
10-10-2007, 10:29 AM
this woman won't ever be anything but what she is now.
Yep. A lying cheating snake in the grass slug.
She gets voted in I'm gonna, I'm gonna... live here and deal with it, lol. I sooooo dread the thought of it.
Maybe Berger is the only one she could get.

SixofNine
10-10-2007, 10:32 AM
My wife is going through some fairly twisted logic that I made her laugh about.

This is a woman who has worked for Republican congressmen and Senators, so I'm not talking about one of those airheads you see on those Jay Leno gag interviews. Anyway, she has become very disillusioned with Bush. OK, that's understandable, no qualms about that.

Here's the kicker: she said, not too tongue-in-cheek, that she might vote for Hillary because she wants Republicans to feel as miserable as she does right now. :biggrin:

tke711
10-18-2007, 10:25 AM
Just an update to this thread.

There is an opinion piece by Ron Cass (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/10/sandy_berger_and_the_real_hill.html) over at RealClearPolitics that is just scathing.

In Sandy Berger's case, there is no excuse. Hillary's inclusion of Sandy Berger in her circle of advisers demonstrates that, notwithstanding her law license, she really doesn't care about the law. She doesn't care whether someone violates the law if they're on her team, if the violation in some way helps the Clintons. Hillary's indifference to criminal wrong-doing suggests that she sees herself as above the law, breezily ignoring law when it's an impediment to something she wants.

and

Picking Sandy Berger tells us something important about Hillary's character. We should listen now - while it can do some good.

At first read, I thought he was going a bit over the top, but after some thought, I do think he has a point.

Sierra Mike
10-18-2007, 12:49 PM
I really can't believe that folks in her camp could ever think this would be a good thing. Does Berger have something on her and is forcing her to do this, or is she really just that much of a power-hungry harpy, that she'd willingly go this route if it helps her get to where she wants to be?

Ah...that was a rhetorical question. :)

SM

MNeedham73
10-18-2007, 01:03 PM
Eleanor Roosevelt told her to do it.

Steve
10-18-2007, 01:20 PM
You all do realize Berger's conviction carries all the legal weight and burden of a misdemeanor marijuana possession conviction? In other words, the public's not going to give a shit about it.

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