View Full Version : Wesley Clark = Girly Man
Techie2000
09-15-2007, 02:25 PM
He endorsed <a href="http://securingamerica.com/node/2662">Hilary Clinton</a>. I'm sorry, but my respect for him has just dropped. Domh, I'm calling you out, you sold me on a guy who sold himself out to Clinton.
What say you, Domh?
tke711
09-15-2007, 02:28 PM
Wait a minute....hold the presses.....you DON'T support the party poster child, Hillary?
Don't mean to be insulting at all Matt, I'm just pleasantly surprised.
ethics
09-15-2007, 02:29 PM
Weren't they always in bed (excuse the pun) with each other? Didn't this whole relationship start with the Bosnian war?
ethics
09-15-2007, 02:51 PM
Weren't they always in bed (excuse the pun) with each other? Didn't this whole relationship start with the Bosnian war?
Here ya go, boys. I've spent some time on tracking relevant articles. Let's start from the beginning:
When Wesley Clark arrived at Georgetown University in November 1965 for a conference on international affairs, a woman at the registration desk noticed that the West Point cadet hailed from Arkansas. s from Arkansas."
"What's his name?" Clark asked.
"Bill Clinton."
"Never heard of him," the 20-year-old Clark said. "Are you sure he's from Arkansas?"
"Oh, yes, he talked about watermelons and things."
"OK, well, sure. I'd like to meet him."
An hour later, "Clinton comes in, a girl on each arm, and introduces himself," said Clark, recalling the encounter. Clark, a straight arrow in his spiffy cadet uniform, and Clinton, the lanky, woolly-haired man-about-campus, were stylistic opposites but had much in common. Both were raised by stepfathers and adoring mothers who struggled to make ends meet. Both left their rural state with dreams of stardom. Both were selected as Rhodes scholars.
The Arkansans discussed Clinton's political ambitions, and Clark concluded that Clinton would not only run for president one day, but also was "the most impressive man I'd met on the college circuit in three years of traveling around." From that moment on, the pair would follow each other's progression on the national stage.---- From:The Boston Globe Date: November 17, 2003
Let's now flash forward when Billy is the Prez:
President Clinton has picked Army Gen. Wesley K. Clark to become the next top NATO military commander and head of U.S. forces in Europe, senior defense officials said Sunday.
The selection is arguably the second-most significant military appointment Clinton will have to make this year, after naming a new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, because of the controversial issues confronting the United States and its European allies, such as NATO expansion, relations with Russia and operations in Bosnia.
``We wanted someone who's both a soldier and a statesman, someone with diplomatic and policy experience,'' a senior Pentagon official said, adding that formal announcement of the selection is expected today.<dl><dt>---- From:The Virginian Pilot Date: March 31, 1997</dt></dl><dl class="byline"><dd>
</dd><dt>Fast forward now to when Clark went in to politics:</dt></dl>If he enters the race, Clark would benefit from the support of a legion of Arkansas Democrats who helped Clinton get to the White House, including Skip Rutherford and Bruce Lindsey. Clinton has not taken sides in the nomination fight, but his glowing assessment of Clark in private talks has been noted by his oldest allies.
"There are a lot of people from Arkansas who will back Clark," said Bob Nash, who worked for Clinton in Arkansas and at the White House. "Part of it is he's our homeboy, and because he's an impressive man."<dl><dt>---From: Special Report with Brit Hume (Fox News Network) Date: September 16, 2003 </dt></dl><dl class="byline"><dt> Clark (like nearly all the other Democratic candidates) has been listening to the advice of Bill Clinton (On Politics, Page 27), the barriers Clark faces are formidable. "Two months ago, Howard Dean had 87 employees and John Kerry had 65; and Gephardt has spent 20 years in Iowa," says Republican pollster Bill McInturff. "For a guy no one's heard of with no money, no experience running for office, and no campaign staff, Clark's spotted them a pretty big lead, and it's hard to believe he's going to make it up."</dt></dl><dl class="byline"><dt>--- From: U.S. News & World Report Date: September 29, 2003</dt></dl>I guess what I am trying to say is that one hand almost always washed the other. Clark knows he has no shot against Hillary NOR Obama, so he is being a nice "friend". :)
Techie2000
09-15-2007, 03:40 PM
Wait a minute....hold the presses.....you DON'T support the party poster child, Hillary?
Don't mean to be insulting at all Matt, I'm just pleasantly surprised.Nope. I decided in July to personally endorse Barack Obama. I couldn't decide on a candidate for the longest time, but out of all the candidates, he is the one that is engaging the youth vote and demographic the most, and for that reason, in walking the walk in engaging youth, he is more likely to work on youth issues such as education and student loans, among others, than the other candidates.
Stiofán
09-15-2007, 04:17 PM
I guess what I am trying to say is that one hand almost always washed the other. Clark knows he has no shot against Hillary NOR Obama, so he is being a nice VP wannabe, or at least SecDef. :)
Fixed it for you.
ethics
09-15-2007, 04:20 PM
That's not too far from the truth, Stio.
Techie2000
09-15-2007, 04:24 PM
Fixed it for you.That's actually a valid point.
Copzilla
09-15-2007, 06:13 PM
Nope. I decided in July to personally endorse Barack Obama. I couldn't decide on a candidate for the longest time, but out of all the candidates, he is the one that is engaging the youth vote and demographic the most, and for that reason, in walking the walk in engaging youth, he is more likely to work on youth issues such as education and student loans, among others, than the other candidates.
What about what's good for the country, Techie?
All of the above says "I vote entitlements for ME". IMO, that me-first attitude is what has this country in a mess.
He endorsed <a href="http://securingamerica.com/node/2662">Hilary Clinton</a>. I'm sorry, but my respect for him has just dropped. Domh, I'm calling you out, you sold me on a guy who sold himself out to Clinton.
What say you, Domh?
Wesley Clark couldn't lead a five year old to the toilet. He might smooze or talk him to it, but lead? What a joke! The man is a 100 percent Prima Donna that has little room in his heart except for Wesley Clark and the personal vain ambitions of Wesley Clark that includes having the spotlight always on him.
JCS Hugh Shelton and SecDef William Cohen--his immediate bosses and supervisors thought he was a worthless shit and insubordinate as demonstrated in overlooking orders that would diminish his stage time.
ethics
09-15-2007, 06:43 PM
Wesley Clark couldn't lead a five year old to the toilet. He might smooze or talk him to it, but lead? What a joke! The man is a 100 percent Prima Donna that has little room in his heart except for Wesley Clark and the personal vain ambitions of Wesley Clark that includes having the spotlight always on him.
Ah! Best description of him yet. I always wondered why a very intelligent and well read person like Domh would like him. (FLAME BAIT!!!) ;)
ShinyTop
09-15-2007, 06:47 PM
Would not dream of speaking for Domh, but when I was for Clarke it was him or Kerry, please understand.
Techie2000
09-16-2007, 04:04 PM
What about what's good for the country, Techie?
All of the above says "I vote entitlements for ME". IMO, that me-first attitude is what has this country in a mess.I don't think public education is bad for America, and I've certainly seen little to indicate that those who go to college are at some sort of disadvantage in society, or that the presence of college or financial aid to it has caused negative financial impact on America. Education isn't just good for me, it is good for America.
Techie2000
09-16-2007, 04:05 PM
Would not dream of speaking for Domh, but when I was for Clarke it was him or Kerry, please understand.Hey, I was a Clark supporter myself. So I can more than sympathize...:)
Time for a thread split, mods. ;)
BACK TO CLARK...
I am not surprised Clark endorsed Clinton. As has been noted, that relationship goes way back. As was also mentioned, this is really more of a DEBT than an ENDORSEMENT. I am definitely not very happy about it, as I have little love for Mrs. Clinton, but it comes as no surprise whatsoever.
Does it mean I will vote for Clinton? Nope. If she gets the Dem nod and picks Clark as VP? Thatll be a very strong ticket. Slick Willie strong. Also, I am I am almost willing to put money down that Clinton will be assassinated if she is elected president, so... that comes in to play. Sick? Nah. Just realistic.
If Clinton gets the Dem nod she will NOT pick Obama. Even she knows there is a bloody chance in hell of the electorate hiring a woman AND a black. She will play it smart (because she is far from dumb, she is conniving and cunning and blatantly proud of it and doesn't hide it as well as her husband did...) and pull in a man "for the middle". Good psychology play on many fronts, and if anybody knows the power of psychology in presidential politics, it is the Clintons.
I am a long way from deciding on a candidate. A LONG way. There are folks on both side of the aisle running that I can see doing the job... perhaps even effectively.
I still have immense respect for Clark and still think he is Presidential material. No... I am not interested in arguing about it further, we have been over this more than plenty.
Clinton-Clark 2008? Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Even Fred Thompson would have a hard time with that. That ticket is just the sort of "made for TV" bullshit that voters would chow down like so much sitcom.
And THAT is presidential politics in 21st Century America.
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