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ethics
03-19-2007, 12:18 PM
With the following ad remake...
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Swamp Fox
03-19-2007, 12:58 PM
:clap::clap::clap:
:rofl:
Ya, just wait till one is kissing the other's ass for that coveted VP slot. ;)
Sierra Mike
03-19-2007, 01:05 PM
A remake of Ridley Scott's Apple commercial, I guess? It must be, since I saw it only once during the 1984 Super Bowl, and it looks a hell of a lot like what I remember.
SM
Swamp Fox
03-19-2007, 01:10 PM
A remake of Ridley Scott's Apple commercial, I guess? It must be, since I saw it only once during the 1984 Super Bowl, and it looks a hell of a lot like what I remember.
SM
Yes, that's it.
cmhbob
03-19-2007, 06:13 PM
That clip is generating a bit of a buzz (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,259591,00.html) here and there.
saber11
03-19-2007, 08:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWvHbOoG3tI
ethics
03-19-2007, 08:48 PM
Yes, it's so fitting I beat you by 8 hours in posting it in the same forum! :holyshit:
saber11
03-19-2007, 08:50 PM
Just like me always a little late to the party, but there to the end.
Sierra Mike
03-20-2007, 11:09 AM
Yes, it's so fitting I beat you by 8 hours in posting it in the same forum! :holyshit:
Just goes to show you, NYC is one hell of a fast-paced town. :)
SM
SixofNine
03-20-2007, 11:35 AM
By singling out one helmet-haired pol this is kind of unfair -- but it's still funny. :P
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mikeky
03-22-2007, 12:42 PM
The maker is unmasked (http://www.heraldleader.com/522/story/22274.html), and of course fired.
Blue State designed Obama's Web site and one of the firm's founding members, Joe Rospars, took a leave from the company to work as Obama's director of new media. The connection to the campaign is likely to be a setback for Obama, who has cultivated an image as politician who wants to rise above bare-knuckle politics.
"It's true ... yeah, it's me," de Vellis said Wednesday evening.
He said he produced the ad outside of work and that neither Blue State nor the Obama campaign was aware of his role in the ad.
"But it raises some eyebrows, so I thought it best that I resign and not put them in that position."
Thomas Gensemer, the managing director of Blue State Digital, said de Vellis was fired.
"Mr. de Vellis created this video on his own time," Gensemer said in a statement. "It was done without the knowledge of management, and was in no way tied to his work at the firm or our formal engagement (on technology pursuits) with the Obama campaign."
Obviously companies can do what they please, but why fire the guy for doing it on his own time? :shake:
ethics
03-22-2007, 12:45 PM
That's my question too.
"Mr. de Vellis created this video on his own time," Gensemer said in a statement. "It was done without the knowledge of management, and was in no way tied to his work at the firm or our formal engagement (on technology pursuits) with the Obama campaign."
But we fired his ass for good measure.
MemphisMark
03-22-2007, 01:31 PM
Because of the fact that what you do off work still affects the image of the company. If the company hires people who do such things like that, you have to question the veracity of the company.
mikeky
03-22-2007, 01:42 PM
Because of the fact that what you do off work still affects the image of the company. If the company hires people who do such things like that, you have to question the veracity of the company.
I might agree with you if the guy had done something criminally wrong, or even morally questionable, but just making a video supporting a particular candidate?
Steve
03-22-2007, 02:21 PM
Style and perception, over substance - that's all politics is about.
Sierra Mike
03-22-2007, 03:02 PM
If I did something that reflected poorly on the Fed in my spare time, they could definitely fire me over it. They make that understood up front.
SM
Steve
03-22-2007, 03:13 PM
My company has a specific employment policy against publicly bad-mouthing it. Firing is definitely one its options.
mikeky
03-22-2007, 04:44 PM
The way I see it, firing an employee with obvious skill in what the company does for something he did on his own time casts Blue State in far worse light than the guy did with his video. The critics will still blame Obama/Blue State for the ad (it was a conspiracy, I tell you!), while others will view the company as over-reacting in order to appease Obama, etc.
ethics
03-22-2007, 04:45 PM
Exactly right, Mike. I don't know when we passed the laws that the company we work for dictates what we do outside of work LEGALLY.
ravital
03-22-2007, 06:00 PM
Exactly right, Mike. I don't know when we passed the laws that the company we work for dictates what we do outside of work LEGALLY.
Well no, we never did pass such laws, but in this case the company also has rights. It doesn't want to be associated with this employee, so it fires him.
Wrong, pigheaded and stupid, and in the end harms their reputation much more than anything they might have gained by firing him, but their right.
ethics
03-22-2007, 06:05 PM
And I disagree with those "rights" for the company that lack "rights" for the human being that was fired. As far as my passing laws statement, that was rhetorical.
Stiofán
03-22-2007, 07:22 PM
If any of you think this guy did this on "his own time" you're a lot more gullible than I would ever have thought.
This stuff is party politics 101. You all know that.
mikeky
03-22-2007, 08:04 PM
If he didn't do it on his own, why isn't he making a big deal about losing his job?
ethics
03-22-2007, 08:08 PM
Good question, and I doubt anyone has an answer.
Stiofán
03-22-2007, 08:29 PM
I'm sure he's already on the payroll of another firm working for the campaign. And he didn't lose his job. He quit before it went public so as to not embarrass his employer and Obama's campaign, i.e he took one for the team.
Lovehound
03-22-2007, 08:57 PM
If any of you think this guy did this on "his own time" you're a lot more gullible than I would ever have thought.
This stuff is party politics 101. You all know that.
Bingo!
If he didn't do it on his own, why isn't he making a big deal about losing his job?Good question, and I doubt anyone has an answer.
Because it's in the play book. He makes the commercial, airs it, gets fired, and they take care of him happily ever after. In unmarked envelopes.