Send them Back?

[ethics]

A police officer interviews a group of Haitian migrants after they were apprehended in the Miami area October 29, 2002. About 200 Haitian migrants jumped off a dangerously overcrowded freighter grounded off Key Biscayne, swarming onto a busy bridge with some trying to persuade passing motorists to help them elude border patrols.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20021029/mdf139253.jpg

Would you send them back to Haiti, or let them start the INS process of being admitted?

[fritzmp]

Back.

Half of them, I would say, have HIV and they will fill the emergency rooms in FLA and Georgia.

I know it sounds cruel, but they came here illegal. The answer is not to bring everyone here but to make the world a better place to live. Filling up our country is not the world cure.

[tke711]

Would you send them back to Haiti, or let them start the INS process of being admitted?
As cold hearted as it sounds....yes, I would send them back and make them apply through normal channels.

Otherwise, we send a dangerous message to others that it's OK to enter the country this way

[Coot]

Send 'em back....on the same boat.

[ethics]

Agreed, Greg and Fritz. Coot? Same boat? You are harsh! ;)

Especially with the ambience of anti-immigration the US feels right now, I doubt many would disagree.

Now, does anyone think we should keep them? Why?

[fritzmp]

OK,OK, we will patch the boat and stock it with privations.

[Sierra Mike]

I'd send 'em back in UH-60s from the 101st. That way, they get repatriated, and the 101st pilots get precious overwater time.

SM

[John R. Beanham]

If this lot had been a boatload of Afghans or Iraqis coming via Indonesia they would immediately claim refugee status and at that point would qualify for UNLIMITED legal aid to appeal the case all the way to our High Court.

They would have destroyed ALL forms of ID so that their identity is simply an unprovable claim of just who they are. MOST in fact are Pakistanis.

In the mean time they are housed (free) in camps, mostly in the outback with air-conditioning, Halal food, clothing, private family rooms, FREE phones to call home and arrange the next lot, play equipment for the kids, TVs, videos, and - wait for it - PLAYSTATIONS!!!!!!!

When they get the magic word of 'Refugee' after their name they immediately qualify for TIME UNLIMITED social security, first off the rank for public housing ( stuff the Aussies on the list for 8 years), and all the support programs available.

Australians are MUGS!!!!!!

:-(

John.

PS,

All of the above is in accordance with our "UN obligations" and "International Treaties".

[midranger4]

The INS is already on the hot seat for the Malvo debacle.

I think its a safe bet the illegals that arrived today live on all the major news channels aren't long for the USA.

I would be agreeable to the thought of possibly letting the children and thier parent(s) stay but all the adults who acted by themselves, for themselves, should be sent back immediately.

My personal favorite *video moment* of the day was when a group (of about FIFTY or more) of the illegals swarmed upon an open bed small pickup truck.

Ahhh America. Home of the free.

Not to be confused with America, where your home is free.

[immortal one]

I would go with Steve's idea. Send 'em back home.

[midranger4]

Oh look my favorite video moment is on the news for about the one hundreth time tonight.

Something tells me this isn't what the founding fathers had in mind.

[fritzmp]

Originally posted by Steve Moore
I'd send 'em back in UH-60s from the 101st. That way, they get repatriated, and the 101st pilots get precious overwater time.

SM

Making them do a static line jump from a Starlifter would make them think twice from comming back and they would tell all their Buddy's.

[ethics]

Mid, that is too funny. Well, and sad in a way. Haiti is not Afghanistan under the Taliban, Poles under Soviet Union, and East Germans under the Stasi.

[Misu]

If these were Cubans, they'd be allowed in. Haiti is in just as much trouble and social unrest as Cuba, if not more, and yet Haitians get treated like shit compared to Cubans.

I think if we're going to give rights to people from one place, give it to everyone. If not you're not going to give it to everyone, then treat everyone the same.

And half my family are cuban immigrants (husband's side).

[ethics]

Now wait a minute. Cuba is politically a shit hole. Haiti is also, but the difference is that the Cubans escape for more legitimate asylum than the Haitians.

Haitians tend to run here for economic reasons more than the Cubans.

[fritzmp]

Plus most Haitians are murdering thugs. Sorry, but my Brother-in-law just got back from their working on a fiber optic project and he had to have the US embassy get him out with security because of threats to his life by coworkers. The company laied off a few guys and they thought it was because of him. It was not a good ordeal. The place is a rat hole and I don't blame them for wanting to leave, but not here.

[Coot]

Put 'em back on the boat and point it towards the Dominican Republic.

[Misu]

Ethics, Haiti is in a constant civl war - it wasn't long ago that there were US forces there trying to keep the peace - I believe it was back in 93? I remember I was a senior in HS, and I had many haitian friends who were very upset their relatives could not leave, yet cubans were allowed to leave.

The reason Cuban refugees get the help they do is because of the POWER cubans have in South Florida - everything is run by cubans here. They are extremely powerful politically AND economically. They are a very vocal group - they almost always get what they want. You can't turn on the television in Miami without being bombarded with news regarding Cuba - even on the English channels.

Trust me, I lived in Miami for 13 years, and you should hear my husband's family talk.

[jamming]

Actually it has more to do with Kennedy selling out the Anti Castro Cubans who invaded to overthrow Castro. The government gave them something for that trouble. Ask some of your older Cuban relatives.

[Coot]

It is NOT incumbent on the U.S. to take in refugees from every shithole 3rd world country. Cuba I can understand...or could 20 years ago. I was adamantly opposed to admitting Vietnamese refugees...any of them. The RVN's wouldn't fight the NVA, and that alone was more than reason enough.

Cheerist...when I was with MACV SOPS, we were trying to train them in Recon and all they wanted to do was ghost our asses and get down the road. Sorry, this is probably for another thread.

There are so many of these disease ridden, rathole 3rd world dens of squalor around the world. They all want to leave and come to 'cushy' countries and improve their lot. The U.S. is inundated, Canada is becoming inundated, Australia likewise. Enough already. Spain is putting up walls and fences, Italy is clamping down as is Germany. It's becoming an issue of worldwide pestilence.

The planet has become over populated...nature has a way of dealing with this. A purely organic and natural solution is most assuredly in the best long term interests of the species as a whole.

Of course, in the short term another timely solution would be to hit France with enough neutron weapons to erase the population, erect a great wall around the country and let any of these refugees that care to move there.

[Sierra Mike]

Originally posted by fritzmp
Making them do a static line jump from a Starlifter would make them think twice from comming back and they would tell all their Buddy's. Better without chutes.

SM

[jfcjrus]

Lately, the INS has been a joke.
Staffed with political patronage?
Underfunded?
I dunno.

I think America is still considered the land of the free, the land of opportunity. Yea, we've got problems, but you'd be hard pressed to match those qualitys on many other landmasses on this planet.

But, we've got rules on who can immigrate here. I agree the rules should be evenly applied. However, sometimes, I wonder if anyone is applying the rules, at all.
Many core areas of many of our cities and towns are being taken over by immigrants of a rather criminal nature.

"They" run a background check on me, before I can buy a gun.
Would it be too much to ask that "They" do the same for new folks landing on our shores?
Are they known criminals in their home countries?

Just a thought.
Regards,

[Domh]

let them in, give them everything they want, put them on welfare, give them a fucking mercedes if they ask for one.

we may as well, thats the direction social welfare is heading. the sooner it goes so far overboard that even the average spoon-fed, braindead american slob can see its a problem, the better.

:(

[pupowski]

Send the Cubans back too! Castro is no more oppressive than parts of central and south america, including Mexico . The dictatorship of the proletariat is no more inherently evil than the dictatorship of wealthy special interests in this hemisphere. Democracy of deep pockets is not real Democracy, just a new-age version of royal rule.

[fritzmp]

Let's not for get the other 9 mill of illegals that are already here.

[jfcjrus]

Originally posted by Domhain
let them in, give them everything they want, put them on welfare, give them a fucking mercedes if they ask for one.

we may as well, thats the direction social welfare is heading. the sooner it goes so far overboard that even the average spoon-fed, braindead american slob can see its a problem, the better.

:(
Yikes!
I may be jumping to conclusions, but I gather you've just about had it with folks entering this country sucking up our tax dollars?
If so, I agree.
If they can contribute, fine.
I just think it's fair to expect them to pull their own weight, is all.

I think I can appreciate the hardships they came from, seeking a better life.

But, I do object to them taking from the folks already here (via welfare, etc) rather than contributing.

Other than that, I wish them sucess in getting to work in creating their new lifes for themselves and their family.

And welcome to the 'land of opportunity' (not giveaways).
Regards,

[RRedline]

Let them stay, give them free houses, give them food stamps, welfare, SSI, don't make them pay any taxes ever, and pay them reparations for the US putting so much water between the US and Haiti. Also, their kids should get free college scholarships, and they get to vote - except each one of their votes counts as ten of my votes because I oppressed them for so many centuries(with all the water). Oh yeah, I almost forgot...that red Corvette that I have been saving up for? Just give it to them.

For anyone who is too drunk to understand my sarcasm, I suggest we send them back. I can't believe people would even think otherwise. It is an insult to all the people who have ever immigrated here legally.

[Domh]

Originally posted by jfcjrus
I gather you've just about had it with folks entering this country sucking up our tax dollars?
...
If they can contribute, fine.
Listen to me for a second, average immigrant - sit down and let me bend your ear.

I understand that things SUCKED back at home, but ya know what?

TOO FUCKING BAD.

Folks got it tough all over, dying every day, oppression, rape, etc. Welcome to earth.

Now I see that you made it here, cause you heard that in America youd at least have a chance to make your way without too many psychos around raping your sisters and beating you to death for reading a cookbook. Fine. Welcome aboard - come one, come all thats the whole idea.

But before I give you a wad of cash and a bus ticket, lets get one thing straight. You have ALOT to prove, because you are LUCKY AS HELL to have made it here, and I am NOT going to wipe your ass for you just because you made it out of the fire without getting burned. Lifes a bitch pal. You were unlucky enough to be born in a shithole, I was lucky enough to be born here. Cest la vie.

Now listen to me very clearly... America is not a fucking PRIZE, asshole, its a game that HAS some prizes, and if you work very hard, play by the rules, work very hard and work very hard, you get some of those prizes - you DESERVE some of those prizes. Thats it. Simple.

The rules are VERY simple. Not alot is asked of you here. The lowliest dolt can succeed at this game, and they often do.

That said, if I catch you fucking off, layin down and breaking the rules I want you to remember one thing:

I can have you back in your old country in a couple hours, asshole. Im sure theyre waiting for you.

With that unpleasantness past, welcome to the the land of the free, brother. If you need help - if you REALLY need help, I WILL BE THERE FOR YOU.

Now, heres $500 and a ticket to Toledo. Good luck, rockstar. Get outta here.

[jfcjrus]

Originally posted by Domhain
Listen to me for a second, average immigrant - sit down and let me bend your ear.
Opps.
Did wires get crossed here? Did I misquote you, or you me?
(I was born here 57 years ago)
Or are you way ahead of me in the political illustration dept?
Just a little confused, but, no sweat.
BTW, I agree with what you said.
Regards,

[Domh]

heh - worried after i wrote that there might be some confusion.

its most definitely NOT to you, its an open letter to the average immigrant.

sorry for the confusion.

;)