Europe fading away?

[archidante]

What underlies European culture at the present times? This author thinks he senses France and Germany fading into history. I don't buy it. The specific tribes he mentions didn't "fade away", they intermarried producing European civilization, a good many of whom immigrated to the new world and Australia founding other new civlizations. Though a bunch of pre-Roman social newtworks may be long gone, the gene pool is alive and well-and domiating the accompolishments of the human race for the last two millennia. I have a feeling two hundred years from now French and German WILL be spoken-not only here on Earth but on a great number of "new worlds" we haven't yet settled.
Also, the Author seems to forget: Europe is pretty full of people. A couple hundred million people hardly seems like the whooporwill trilling of a vanishing "race".
see the article here. (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/front_page/ED08Aa01.html)

[Swamp Fox]

Though I would say that Europe is falling behind North America economically, but the idea of a race vanishing is silly. You're totally right about the gene pool being mixed, Archidante, but I don't know if French or German will be spoken two hundred years from now - I think it'll be more like a common language, based on English.

[Sierra Mike]

Too bad...Singlish is much more entertaining, lah.

SM

[Coot]

Though I would say that Europe is falling behind North America economically, but the idea of a race vanishing is silly. You're totally right about the gene pool being mixed, Archidante, but I don't know if French or German will be spoken two hundred years from now - I think it'll be more like a common language, based on English.

200 years from now, the Europeans will have been speaking Arabic and bowing towards Mecca 5 times a day for at least the last 100 years.

[Arc]

If I were rich I would have a second and possibly third residence in Europe. That is based my memories of living there for three years and visiting afterwards. My last visit was about twelve years ago. The Europe of today is dramatically changing from anything that Europe has been in the past. It is dramactically different from when I lived or last visited.

I don't see the EU succeeding in the long run. Eventually, no matter how successful the EU is in the interim I see ethnic and cultural violence or backlash arising. Germans, French, and Italians for instance will eventually get fed up with the homogenization, loss of culture and loss of autonomy. The influx of immigrants, especially from the Muslim cultures will speed up the internal strife that I suspect is coming. The reasons for what happened in the Balkans exists in the formation and growth of the EU.

The commom currency was the key to starting the EU down the path to eventual chaos or violence. It will be the biggest single denominator in whatever eventually transpires.

[archidante]

If I were rich I would have a second and possibly third residence in Europe. That is based my memories of living there for three years and visiting afterwards. My last visit was about twelve years ago. The Europe of today is dramatically changing from anything that Europe has been in the past. It is dramactically different from when I lived or last visited.

I don't see the EU succeeding in the long run. Eventually, no matter how successful the EU is in the interim I see ethnic and cultural violence or backlash arising. Germans, French, and Italians for instance will eventually get fed up with the homogenization, loss of culture and loss of autonomy. The influx of immigrants, especially from the Muslim cultures will speed up the internal strife that I suspect is coming. The reasons for what happened in the Balkans exists in the formation and growth of the EU.

The commom currency was the key to starting the EU down the path to eventual chaos or violence. It will be the biggest single denominator in whatever eventually transpires. Well, that is probobly very much true. But the writer was implying that Europeans as a group were a vanishing stock. I would think the ability to level off ones population, even a negative population growth for a period of time could be seen as an environmentally sound quality of a people-rather than ribald out of control poverty and overpopulation,like some groups, you're seeing a mature, sophisticated demographic tend likely to balance itself out. Have the Europeans forgotten science and agriculture? No. Are they marrying and raising families? Last I heard it was still happening.
As for their being reactionary elements agains the Muslim hordes, well that bodes well as an indication of common sense and self preservation.

[LissaKay]

200 years from now, the Europeans will have been speaking Arabic and bowing towards Mecca 5 times a day for at least the last 100 years.


That long, ya think? Unless, of course, they find a cure for their serious case of recto-cranial inversion ...

[archidante]

That long, ya think? Unless, of course, they find a cure for their serious case of recto-cranial inversion ...

Like this madness? (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139807,00.html)

http://www.globalaffairs.org/forum/images/smilies/whistle.gif

[Coot]

Like this madness? (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139807,00.html)

:whistle: Bakri says the terrorists who staged the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States are magnificent and Westerners in Arab lands need to be killed by any means necessary. He makes the threats with a smile. Imagine the outcry from these f**ktards if tit for tat were proposed. ;)

[LissaKay]

Bakri says the terrorists who staged the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States are magnificent and Westerners in Arab lands need to be killed by any means necessary. He makes the threats with a smile.


But ... but ... I thought it was a conspiracy between the Joos' Moussad and the US government to create a reason to go after those peaceful Muslims!!!

[aedumo]

i thought this article was pretty silly, maybe even wishful thinking by the author. i found myself wondering how he could seriously mean all this based on the info he gave. i didnt even bother to finish it.
as for the europeans losing culture and identity due to muslim influx. i think that european nationalism is great, albeit slightly unpronounced at the moment, and there cultures may undergo changes, they certainly wont disappear. much the same as a european from 200 yrs ago would be surprised of the changes if he were alive today, it would still be the same country, same language and same culture. as the muslims force themselves on the european countries they will force the muslim influences out. europe is not america, they are not a melting pot. they dont have to assimilate foreigners.
i lived in europe(weilburg, hessen germany) for 5 years, and would love to go back, and if rich would have a vacation home there. but i could never live there....i think of it as a forced hypocritical liberalism, with a hint of hush hush nationalism.

[archidante]

is not america, they are not a melting pot. they dont have to assimilate foreigners.
i lived in europe(weilburg, hessen germany) for 5 years, and would love to go back, and if rich would have a vacation home there. but i could never live there....i think of it as a forced hypocritical liberalism, with a hint of hush hush nationalism. Well, America doesn't assimilate foreigners anymore, we accomodate them (for English, Press one...) liberalism, if it means not being able to work unless your certified by the Government with three degrees for a bureacratic schlep jop because anything else is slave wages...to immigrant hordes-is highly overrated. In New York, in college back in the 80's I felt a wonderfull freedom because I could find employment doing something at any time. In LA in the 90's I was desperate waiting for the state to authorize my teaching certificate-all the something work was unavailable to English speaking white boys...if your were legal, a citizen, forget it. Too much damn paperwork, unemployment ins, benefits, whatever-they wouldn't even talk to you. That so called "work Americans won't do" is a myth cause I would have done just about damn near anything at the time when my money had run out. I had a four year daughter.

[aedumo]

i guess what i meant is that america is based on immigration. and our culture is an ever changing product of that. we could never close our borders because of that, although maybe slow it down. but europe as well as most other countries in the world have specifice borders, cultures, languages, societies, and bloodlines that have been in place for centuries, millenia even. they are just very accomodating for the time being. when i lived there, their was a definite anti-"auslander" sentiment growing. although nothing against me, mainly the east europeans, muslims and african asylum seekers. but when i first got there, in the military ("little america") all we saw were the young germans at the clubs getting "punk'd" by the turks, and the feeling for us was, that is what castration looks like. maybe thats whats in charge over there now.

[archidante]

germans at the clubs getting "punk'd" by the turks, and the feeling for us was, that is what castration looks like. maybe thats whats in charge over there now.
punk'd?

[aedumo]

punk'd is when you psyche someone out. intimidate someone. bully.
i dont think theres a definition yet for it, but im sure its coming.

[LissaKay]

punk'd?


Punk'd (http://www.mtv.com/onair/punkd/)

:cool:

[archidante]

Punk'd (http://www.mtv.com/onair/punkd/)

:cool:
:thumbsup:

[efuseakay]

They aren't fading away as much as they are becoming an Islamic slum.