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Doctor Dan
10-13-2004, 01:04 AM
It looks like the latest Internet fad in Japan isn't on-line dating... it's asphyxiating:

(From http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/13/international/asia/13japan.html )


9 Die in Japan Suicides Tied to Web

TOKYO, Oct. 12 - Nine people were found dead on Tuesday in two rented cars with the windows sealed and charcoal burners at their feet in pacts that the police said were facilitated by Internet suicide sites.

The police said that in the first car, a minivan that had been rented for the day, they found seven bodies, including teenagers and a 33-year-old woman who had left a note for her children. Parked on a mountain road in a Tokyo suburb, the gray van had been wrapped in blue plastic sheets with the windows taped closed. Inside, the woman's body was in the driver's seat, and there were three bodies on each of the van bench seats. All were believed to have died of carbon monoxide poisoning.

"Mother is going to die, but I was happy that I could give birth to you," said a note found next to the driver, according to Kyodo News. An empty package of sleeping pills was found near the van.

The group may have come together through a suicide message board on the Internet, Japanese news media quoted the police as saying. Japan has a suicide rate about twice the rate of the United States, and there are Web sites where people discuss suicide and suicide techniques. Some Web sites even sell kits offering "painless" suicide.

Using a cellphone, one of the seven in the van e-mailed a friend in northern Japan on Monday evening, giving the approximate location of the van, a police spokesman for Saitama, a Tokyo suburb, told Agence France-Presse. All the van's occupants were dead by the time the police arrived, just after dawn.

At almost the same time Tuesday morning, outside a temple in Yokusuka, about 75 miles to the south, the police found a rented car containing the bodies of two women, ages 21 and 27. They apparently had also asphyxiated themselves by burning charcoal in two stoves in the car. The police told Kyodo News that the two lived about 25 miles apart and had also apparently met through the Internet.

"This is not murder,'' read a message found in the women's car, according to Agence France-Presse. "We planned this." The police have asked Internet service providers to report information about chat group participants who post suicide plans on the Web, but the directive is believed to be largely ignored.

Last year, Japan reported a record 34,427 cases of suicide, a slight increase over previous years. From January 2003 to June 2004, 45 people committed suicide in groups after meeting through the Internet, according to the National Police Agency. In one case last month, four young people were found dead after burning charcoal in a car parked three miles from where the van was found Tuesday.

- Dan

Coot
10-13-2004, 01:21 AM
For some reason, I have no problem with people making their own exit plans. Be it for terminal physical illness or that they find existence on this ball too painful to abide...provided they come to that decision of their own volition.

Suicide pacts, on the other hand, are disturbing. When I read this earlier today, I had to wonder just how many of these people really came to this decision of their own volition? People contemplating suicide, are generally in a precarious state of mind to begin with. To have a group acting as an enabler in this can easily take individual volition right out of the equation. I'm not fond of stepping on free speech, but when the outcome can be substantively short of free will, action is necessary.

MorWired
10-13-2004, 04:16 PM
For some reason, I have no problem with people making their own exit plans. Be it for terminal physical illness or that they find existence on this ball too painful to abide...provided they come to that decision of their own volition.100% agreed.
.Suicide pacts, on the other hand, are disturbing. When I read this earlier today, I had to wonder just how many of these people really came to this decision of their own volition? People contemplating suicide, are generally in a precarious state of mind to begin with. To have a group acting as an enabler in this can easily take individual volition right out of the equation. I'm not fond of stepping on free speech, but when the outcome can be substantively short of free will, action is necessary.If someone is teetering on the brink, particularly in a time of crisis (as opposed to a long-term depression), and they find a group that agrees with, and even possibly encourages, their decision, they are probably much more likely to find the courage to take the step than if left to their own devices.

Except in a "right to die" type situation, where the person is no longer able, suicide really should be a solitary thing, a decision a person comes to from their own needs or pain, not a group activity -- too many people are too easily swayed, especially kids.

That said, it would seem that Japan's take on suicide is quite different from the West -- I'm not at all familiar with Eastern philosophies, would anyone care to chime in?

Suchaknight
10-13-2004, 05:22 PM
I think it's an unfortunate waste of human potential when people, especially young people, commit suicide. Having said that, I think it is their decision and their life, and the well-intentioned do-gooders should butt out.

Misu
10-14-2004, 02:45 PM
Suicide is a personal thing, but I think that most of the posts above are taking into account that people are rational and mentally healthy when they make the decision to kill themselves.

We're not talking about peope in hospitals being eaten alive by cancer. We're not talking about people who have been in horrible car accidents and their bodies have been so mangled that they require machines to be hooked up to their bodies to remain alive. We're talking about physically healthy people making the decision to kill themselves.

I would venture to say that the very great majority of people who decide to kill themselves and succeed, who are physically healthy, are in a state of deep, deep depression. Unless you've been there, you honestly don't know what it's like.

This topic is near and dear to me. I've shared a lot about my past on this board, including my rape. I don't think I've ever shared the fact that I tried to kill myself. 3 times in fact. All failed (doh!), thankfully. But I attempted to kill myself on 3 seperate occassions when I was in highschool. My family life was spinning out of control. My own life was insane. I was in such a deep state of depression, nothing mattered. Nothing mattered. It was as if I was living in a dark hole, and every time I tried to be happy, whether it be through alcohol or partying or guys, it would backfire and I'd fall even deeper. I was trying to crawl out of this deep dark well and finding myself falling even deeper in it. It was a friend of mine who saved me, that and the fact I graduated high school and by then my family life had stabilized somewhat (although things were still rough for a few years afterwards) and I was able to move out of the house.

Depression makes you do stuff that ordinarily you would never do, and it's looking more and more it's because of chemical imbalances in the brain (mainly serotonin and dopamine), whether it be that the brain isn't producing enough, or it's reabsorbing it back to quickly, etc. There are medications that in just 5 days a severely depressed person starts feeling better. I know this for a fact because I've taken them. And once you start feeling better, your perspective on things change.

These internet suicide sites are dangerous because they're not offering help - they're just offering a catalyst. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and when your brain isn't letting you see that, it's up to those around you who love and care for you to see it and do something about it. I don't think it's crazy for the police to ask ISP's to keep an eye out for these websites.

Suchaknight
10-14-2004, 03:15 PM
These internet suicide sites are dangerous because they're not offering help - they're just offering a catalyst. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and when your brain isn't letting you see that, it's up to those around you who love and care for you to see it and do something about it. I don't think it's crazy for the police to ask ISP's to keep an eye out for these websites.
Yes, I would agree that minors should not be hanging out in suicide chat rooms, etc., but I don't think ISPs make very good parents.

Suicide is a permanent solution, but the problem may not necessarily be temporary. Hopefully there will be people around who love and care, and also are perceptive enough to recognize what is happening. But this is not a perfect world, and things don't always work out that way. Unfortunately, there are no neat obvious answers to this problem that everybody will agree upon.

ethics
10-14-2004, 03:18 PM
All I will say is that thank God I've never been in a situation where I thought my life was better off terminated. I can't understand anyone who would contemplate suicide but that doesn't mean those that do don't have my sympathy.

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