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ethics
10-03-2004, 11:19 PM
In US that is.

Please keep in mind this topic (http://www.globalaffairs.org/forum/showthread.php?t=26981) when reviewing this list.

The prestigious schools listed here (http://encarta.msn.com/college_article_tentoughestschools/the_most_competitive_admissions.html?GT1=5472) admit only top-of-the-line students, the cream of the academic crop. Here's what to expect if you have what it takes to gain entrance to their hallowed halls.

I'll only list the first three here:

1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
If you're talented (and lucky) enough to get in, research heavyweight MIT "is the ultimate academic powerhouse," its students brag. MIT is the type of place where "almost everyone, including the teachers, loves to learn for the sake of learning, and you end up loving MIT for what it gives you while hating it for the work you have to do to succeed." Sure, "it's hard to get into and hard to stay in," but the rewards for all the difficult work include "professors who are just as eager to teach in their field as they are to research in it." The overarching spirit of MIT is one of cooperation. As one student puts it, "If you are willing to put in the work, there is always a way to get enough help to complete all assignments." Undergraduates appreciate how "The name 'MIT' opens many doors for internships and full-time jobs." They also love that first semester freshmen are graded pass/no record in all their classes.

2. Princeton University

Applicants face daunting competition in gaining entrance to Princeton University, arguably the most undergraduate-friendly member of the Ivy League. Other institutions at a similar level of prestige often promote their powerful professional schools in business, law, and/or medicine, but not Princeton. Here, the focus is on the college student. "The lack of a large graduate school at Princeton allows professors to focus more on the undergraduate population, which is a significant contrast to other top schools in the nation." Students rate professors from "stars of academia" to "unknowns who are there because they are great at teaching." The students surveyed here are consistently among the nation's most satisfied with their overall academic experience. A sophomore sums it up as "my dream come true."

3. California Institute of Technology

The select students who get into Caltech arrive at the school knowing what to expect--namely, academic boot camp--and few graduate disappointed. The school's "grueling" demands "prepare students to face far more challenges than they ever thought possible." The school operates on the quarter system, which means "classes go by quickly." Warns one student, "Stay on top of things because before you know it, it's midterms. Then finals. Rinse and repeat two times. Then you have a complete school year." Another admits, "The system works, I guess, but there is a lot (and I do mean a lot) of homework involved."

Doctor Dan
10-03-2004, 11:41 PM
Ah, I see my Alma Mater is ranked #6 this year...

6. University of Pennsylvania

Penn is one of the hottest names in American higher education, and students here tell us that its reputation is well deserved. First of all, there's the top-notch faculty. While "professors expect students to think for themselves," they're usually open to "one-on-one instruction during office hours if lectures are not sufficient." In addition to office hours, undergraduates can access professors through freshman seminar classes, and many profs live right on campus.

:clap:

- Dan

Plunge
10-04-2004, 12:39 AM
I went ahead and looked up my old learning institution on the Princeton Review to see where it ranked on different scales. Pretty interesting.

Rank List
#1 Great College Library
#7 Alternative Lifestyles Not An Alternative
#1 Students Pray on a Regular Basis
#12 Everyone Plays Intramural Sports
#1 Don't Inhale
#1 Got Milk?
#1 Scotch And Soda, Hold The Scotch
#1 Stone-Cold Sober Schools
#5 Students Most Nostalgic for Ronald Reagan
#6 Best Quality of Life
#7 Happy Students
#1 Future Rotarians And Daughters Of The American Revolution
#19 Jock Schools
#2 Town-Gown Relations Are Good

Heh, shouldn't be too hard to figure this one out.

joseftu
10-04-2004, 08:49 AM
BYU, right?

And I sure know why the library's so good...there's not much else to do! ;)

Seriously, though, I've been wondering for some time, how's the experience at BYU for non-Mormons? I know that everyone's probably nice to them, but is there a concerted effort to convert them? And do they encounter any problems if they feel like arguing in class discussion? Or are there enough of them to really be a noticeable presence?

Plunge
10-04-2004, 10:18 AM
BYU, right?

And I sure know why the library's so good...there's not much else to do! ;)

Seriously, though, I've been wondering for some time, how's the experience at BYU for non-Mormons? I know that everyone's probably nice to them, but is there a concerted effort to convert them? And do they encounter any problems if they feel like arguing in class discussion? Or are there enough of them to really be a noticeable presence?

Let's see, first, the Library is so good because it was completely redone about 5 years ago. The thing is massive and well laid out. I just wish they had a better Korean section.

Next, for non-LDS. As far as I know, they seem to like it. I didn't know many while going to school, but was responsible for some every year during the past three years as an eclessiastical leader there. While not pushed, we always invited them to any and all activities and those I knew, never had a problem with roomates or anything. I think as long as they realize what kind of an institution of learning it is, they get along fine. During the past three years, we had one decide to join the LDS religion.

The biggest problem seems to come with non-LDS athletes that attend. Each and every student has to sign a document when attending saying they will follow the rules. The Honor Code (http://campuslife.byu.edu/HONORCODE/honor_code.htm). Some find it easy to sign but not to follow as it says they will refrain from drinking alcoholic beverages, smoking, pre-marital sex and other things. I think 5 or 6 were dismissed from the football team during the off-season and during spring practice this year because of this.

As far as pressure to convert, at BYU actually, it is pretty lowkey. Part of attending BYU though is the requirement to take religious classes. There are quite a variety to chose from, but all are geared toward the LDS religion. So any non-LDS person attending is going to know a heck of a lot about the religion before they leave, if they come as an undergrad that is. Also, since most non-LDS seem to live on campus in the dorms (very nice dorms btw), they are bound to get into a LOT of discussions about the LDS church. Most of the young men at BYU fall into one of 2 categories. Either they are preparing to become a missionary for the church or they have recently returned from being a missionary. So, for the most part, you have a high level of religious discussion in the dorms.

As far as arguing in class, I didn't see much of a difference between BYU for my undergrad and other institutions I attended later on. That is just part of college life. I guess the difference is that, even if the discussion gets heated, the language used is polite. I'm sure though, if a person is constantly belittling the LDS religion they would be asked to find another institution that would be more condusive to their frame of mind.

Numbers of non-LDS? I think it is just about 2%. Not a huge amount, although, if a non-LDS wishes to attend, they get preferential treatment. They also pay more than LDS students.

You should arrange to come as a visiting professor! The English department is by far the most liberal of colleges at BYU. They seem to cause the most problems and headaches for the administration. :lol:

joseftu
10-04-2004, 10:29 AM
Thanks, Plunge. Very informative! :)

Numbers of non-LDS? I think it is just about 2%. Not a huge amount, although, if a non-LDS wishes to attend, they get preferential treatment. They also pay more than LDS students.With preferential treatment like that....;)

You should arrange to come as a visiting professor! No, I'm a city boy. I can live outside of a big city for about a week to 10 days--and then I go into withdrawal. Thanks, though! :)

The English department is by far the most liberal of colleges at BYU. They seem to cause the most problems and headaches for the administration. :lol:Well, that's true (at least the problems and headaches part) at every school! And we're proud of it! :)

Plunge
10-04-2004, 11:07 AM
With preferential treatment like that....;)


:P preferential as far as admission.

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