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ethics
10-02-2004, 12:16 PM
Dear Cecil:

What is the deal with cousins marrying each other? In most states it's
against the law. Yet where I am working, in a West African francophone country, there is a saying, "Cousins are made for cousins." Is this practice really genetically unsound, or is that just an American old wives' tale? --Jay Davidson, Peace Corps volunteer, Mauritania

Cecil replies:

Among the many things Americans just know, without ever having thought about it, is that if first cousins marry, their children will be
drooling half-wits. The handful who wonder if there's any logic to this
belief probably think: Royal inbreeding. Prince Charles. Case closed.

As recent events have shown, however, a lot of things we Yanks just
know aren't so. The supposed evils of cousin marriage may not be the first one that comes to mind, but it's definitely on the list.


In his impressive dissection of the issue, Forbidden Relatives: The American Myth of Cousin Marriage (1996), anthropologist Martin Ottenheimer points out the following little-known facts--little-known, that is, here in the U.S.:


The U.S. is virtually alone among developed nations in outlawing marriage among first cousins. European countries have no such prohibition. In some cultures, particularly Islamic ones, first-cousin marriage is encouraged. Even in the U.S. laws forbidding the practice are far from universal. First-cousin marriage is currently illegal or restricted in 31 states. (Some states allow it if there's no chance of procreation--interesting in light of conservative opposition to gay marriage on the grounds that the institution's function is to produce children.) It's legal in the rest--and no, Kentucky and West Virginia aren't among the permissive ones. Try California and New York.
First-cousin marriage isn't a surefire recipe for congenital defects. True, marriage among close kin can increase the chance of pathological recessive genes meeting up in some unlucky individual, with dire consequences. The problem isn't cousin marriage per se, however, but rather how many such genes are floating around in the family pool. If the pool's pretty clean, the likelihood of genetic defects resulting from cousin marriage is low. A recent review (Bennett et al, Journal of Genetic Counseling, 2002) says that, on average, offspring of first-cousin unions have a 2 to 3 percent greater risk of birth defects than the general population, and a little over 4 percent greater risk of early death. While those margins aren't trivial, genetic testing and counseling can minimize the danger. An argument can be made that marriages of first cousins descended from strong stock can produce exceptional children. Charles Darwin, for example, married his first cousin Emma, which wasn't at all unusual in their prominent and successful family--their common grandparents were cousins too. Three of Charles and Emma's ten kids died in childhood, it's true, but that was standard for Victorian England; the others went on to productive and in some cases distinguished careers.
All kidding aside, the formerly high incidence of congenital defects, specifically hemophilia, among European royal families isn't the classic demonstration of the perils of inbreeding that everybody thinks it is. The short explanation is that hemophilia is an X-chromosome-related characteristic, transmitted only through the female line. The children of royal female carriers would have been at risk no matter whom their mothers had married.



For more, see:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/041001.html

Welp, I married my cousin. Knew her since I was seven. Of course, she wasn't a first cousin, through marriage, but I get nice looks when I say this. :)

AmeritecTech
10-02-2004, 12:36 PM
Yes, I've learned in the past that genetic defects only typically occur when its a first-circle blood relative, like brother and sister. Cousins are fair game!

History is replete with people who fell in love with their cousins. FDR, Hitler, Einstein, Darwin, and Giuliani.

MorWired
10-02-2004, 01:20 PM
Yes, I've learned in the past that genetic defects only typically occur when its a first-circle blood relative, like brother and sister. Cousins are fair game!

History is replete with people who fell in love with their cousins. FDR, Hitler, Einstein, Darwin, and Giuliani.Good? ... bad? ... with a list like that you're confusing me. :O)

Seriously, with a genetic workup for hereditary diseases, I don't see any reason why not. Hell, if people don't want kids then I don't even have a problem with closer blood relations -- it's not my place to "approve" anyone else's choices. If your heart is happy and you're not causing harm then have a nice life.

ethics
10-02-2004, 01:29 PM
Seriously, with a genetic workup for hereditary diseases, I don't see any reason why not. Hell, if people don't want kids then I don't even have a problem with closer blood relations -- it's not my place to "approve" anyone else's choices. If your heart is happy and you're not causing harm then have a nice life.


Agreed... HOWEVER, just like in pure breeds of cats and other animals, it serves you right to mix the genes as much as possible for health reasons. When you mix across all kinds of races you are building one heck of a genetic makeup.

Doctor Dan
10-02-2004, 01:30 PM
Besdies, if your kids wind up with an extra finger or toe, it can always be surgically removed... :lol:

- Dan

Copzilla
10-02-2004, 01:34 PM
Hey, extra apendages can come in handy. Can you imagine what a weapon of masturbation a hand with 7 fingers would be? :haha:

FrankF
10-02-2004, 02:50 PM
Besdies, if your kids wind up with an extra finger or toe, it can always be surgically removed... :lol:

- Dan

When I was a kid, my next door neighbor friend from Kentucky had six toes. Hmm...maybe his parents are cousins?

MorWired
10-02-2004, 03:42 PM
Besdies, if your kids wind up with an extra finger or toe, it can always be surgically removed... :lol:

- DanYou gotta drum up **cough**victims**cough** PATIENTS, I swear I said "patients," somewhere, right? :P

wapu
10-03-2004, 07:06 AM
offspring of first-cousin unions have a 2 to 3 percent greater risk of birth defects than the general population, and a little over 4 percent greater risk of early death.

Does this increase if the parents of the parents were first cousins too?

Does the evidence pointing to issues with inbred/purebred dogs hold true for humans as well?

From <a href="http://www.exn.ca/dogs/purebredproblems.cfm">The Discovery Channel</a> Canada:

The results of in-breeding are appalling. German Shepherds, Golden Retrievers, Dobermans and others suffer hip dysplasia and other crippling joint disorders. Almost all Collies either have eye problems or carry genes for such problems. Cocker spaniels are prone to "rage syndrome," where they will viciously attack humans they otherwise love. Blindness, deafness and bleeding diseases haunt other breeds. Many large breed dogs live only six or seven years. All in all, pure-bred dogs suffer from at least 300 genetic disorders.


I understand that having generation after generation inbreed is different than the occasional first cousin, but does the science of genetic problems with inbred dogs transfer to human? Is the article suggesting that a diamond shaped family tree is not scary to the rest of the world?

Doctor Dan
10-03-2004, 09:30 AM
Does the evidence pointing to issues with inbred/purebred dogs hold true for humans as well?

Considering that some humans are dogs, I'd say the answer is "yes." :P

- Dan

ShinyTop
10-03-2004, 11:40 AM
Somehow read the title as cousins so delete my post and it was probably the best of my day.

Sierra Mike
10-03-2004, 11:44 AM
Funny how this thread was started by a guy...WHO MARRIED HIS COUSIN!

(Well, at least via the marriage of another family member...which stands to reason, as the Keylin line just couldn't possibly come up with such a hottie as Mrs. Keylin on their own, unless they lived near a nuclear power plant.)

SM (not even sure if he has cousins anymore)

ethics
10-03-2004, 11:47 AM
Good points, Wapu, and I don't know the answer to that.

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