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Coot
02-27-2004, 12:02 PM
If the assertions in this article (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg.php), by Sydney Schanberg, are credible, quite a bit actually. The allegations are repugnant and, if true, quite damning. Make up your own minds, but I believe this CT to be credible. Below are some excerpts from the article for your perusal. The rest is, to say the least, mind boggling.
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Senator John Kerry, a decorated battle veteran, was courageous as a navy lieutenant in the Vietnam War. But he was not so courageous more than two decades later, when he covered up voluminous evidence that a significant number of live American prisoners—perhaps hundreds—were never acknowledged or returned after the war-ending treaty was signed in January 1973.
The Massachusetts senator, now seeking the presidency, carried out this subterfuge a little over a decade ago— shredding documents, suppressing testimony, and sanitizing the committee's final report—when he was chairman of the Senate Select Committee on P.O.W./ M.I.A. Affairs.


What was the body of evidence that prisoners were held back? A short list would include more than 1,600 firsthand sightings of live U.S. prisoners; nearly 14,000 secondhand reports; numerous intercepted Communist radio messages from within Vietnam and Laos about American prisoners being moved by their captors from one site to another; a series of satellite photos that continued into the 1990s showing clear prisoner rescue signals carved into the ground in Laos and Vietnam, all labeled inconclusive by the Pentagon; multiple reports about unacknowledged prisoners from North Vietnamese informants working for U.S. intelligence agencies, all ignored or declared unreliable; persistent complaints by senior U.S. intelligence officials (some of them made publicly) that live-prisoner evidence was being suppressed; and clear proof that the Pentagon and other keepers of the "secret" destroyed a variety of files over the years to keep the P.O.W./M.I.A. families and the public from finding out and possibly setting off a major public outcry.

The resignation of Colonel Millard Peck in 1991, the first year of the Kerry committee's tenure, was one of many vivid landmarks in this saga's history. Peck had been the head of the Pentagon's P.O.W./M.I.A. office for only eight months when he resigned in disgust. In his damning departure statement, he wrote: "The mind-set to 'debunk' is alive and well. It is held at all levels . . . Practically all analysis is directed to finding fault with the source. Rarely has there been any effective, active follow-through on any of the sightings . . . The sad fact is that . . . a cover-up may be in progress. The entire charade does not appear to be an honest effort and may never have been."

Finally, Peck said: "From what I have witnessed, it appears that any soldier left in Vietnam, even inadvertently, was in fact abandoned years ago, and that the farce that is being played is no more than political legerdemain done with 'smoke and mirrors' to stall the issue until it dies a natural death."

What did Kerry do in furtherance of the cover-up? An overview would include the following: He allied himself with those carrying it out by treating the Pentagon and other prisoner debunkers as partners in the investigation instead of the targets they were supposed to be. In short, he did their bidding. When Defense Department officials were coming to testify, Kerry would have his staff director, Frances Zwenig, meet with them to "script" the hearings—as detailed in an internal Zwenig memo leaked by others. Zwenig also advised North Vietnamese officials on how to state their case. Further, Kerry never pushed or put up a fight to get key government documents unclassified; he just rolled over, no matter how obvious it was that the documents contained confirming data about prisoners. Moreover, after promising to turn over all committee records to the National Archives when the panel concluded its work, the senator destroyed crucial intelligence information the staff had gathered—to to keep the documents from becoming public. He refused to subpoena past presidents and other key witnesses.
When revelatory sworn testimony was given to the committee by President Reagan's national security adviser, Richard Allen—about a credible proposal from Hanoi in 1981 to return more than 50 prisoners for a $4 billion ransom—Kerry had that testimony taken in a closed door interview, not a public hearing. But word leaked out and a few weeks later, Allen sent a letter to the committee, not under oath, recanting his testimony, saying his memory had played tricks on him. Kerry never did any probe into Allen's original, detailed account, and instead accepted his recantation as gospel truth.

A Secret Service agent then working at the White House, John Syphrit, told committee staffers he had overheard part of a conversation about the Hanoi proposal for ransom. He said he was willing to testify but feared reprisal from his Treasury Department superiors and would need to be subpoenaed so that his appearance could not be regarded as voluntary. Kerry refused to subpoena him. Syphrit told me that four men were involved in that conversation—Reagan, Allen, Vice President George H.W. Bush, and CIA director William Casey. I wrote the story for Newsday.

The final Kerry report brushed off the entire episode like unsightly dust. It said: "The committee found no credible evidence of any such [ransom] offer being made."

ethics
02-27-2004, 12:08 PM
Wow, from Village Voice!?!!?

Village Voice is the most left leaning news paper in NY, so take that for what it is worth. I usually do not read them, and probably will consider the source here, but for the first time, the VV has gone against a Democrat?!?

I find that to be interesting.

Coot
02-27-2004, 12:41 PM
It was a shock to me that the Voice published it. It also reminds me of why, when the seemy underbelly of government is exposed, that the illusion of even a two party system breaks down completely.

Plunge
02-27-2004, 05:49 PM
I have read much of that in other places. Sickening if true.

mikepd
02-28-2004, 04:01 AM
That brings an entirely new meaning to the phrase 'no one left behind'.

If even partly true, Kerry and the others should be serving prison terms until they rot. Of course, this is not the first time a government has done something that is self-serving to the detriment of those who wear the uniform.

America is not alone in this and other places, other times have done it as well.

As for the Village Voice, perhaps they got a dose of reality and the way the world really operates and are still in a bit of shock.

cdw
02-28-2004, 02:19 PM
Kerry had promised the staff that all documents acquired and prepared by the committee would be turned over to the National Archives at the committee's expiration. This didn't happen

So where are the files now? Did you read the accompanying article that this guy wrote back when? It's disgusting. What can we do? Anything? Can these men still be alive? While I understand that America just wanted to forget and get away from the war, it never seems to leave us. What in heavens name would be the purpose of keeping it hidden at this point?
There has to be *something* that can be done.

Coot
02-28-2004, 02:27 PM
The purpose Cyd, is that many of the people who were involved in this are still active in government, with one currently running for president. ;)

cdw
02-28-2004, 03:09 PM
Yeah, ok, well fu*k him. So what, if anything, can a regular old gal like myself do about this situation. How do we find out if there really even is a situation.
I'm upset.

IamZed
02-28-2004, 05:14 PM
At this point I don’t take these accusations with a grain of salt. I actually have to view them thru a block of salt. It will get lower yet. In the end perhaps one or two of the things Bush and Kerry throw at each other will turn out to be true. The election will be completed when that determination is made. I just can’t hop up and down shouting about this, because it was well to be expected. I really don’t believe in prisoners of the Viet Nam war. Why the hell would you feed, cloth, and house someone for fifty years?
This will get better. The accusations will get far more discussing and perhaps even possible.

Coot
02-28-2004, 06:19 PM
Geezus Zed, you really don't get it.

IamZed
02-28-2004, 06:24 PM
Geezus Zed, you really don't get it.I think you are a wise man Coot. Give me the fundamentals you think I need to work on, and I will not talk back about it.

Robert Harris
02-28-2004, 06:31 PM
Kay words: "...if true."

Coot
02-28-2004, 06:37 PM
Considering its the Village Voice, I think we can rule out the Bushies in having a hand in this...especially since Bush 41 may be implicated. If you read Schanberg's other article (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0408/schanberg2.php), it is very likely, almost certain that we left POW's behind in our hurry to get the hell out of there. Then, 10 years later, VN is willing to trade POW's for $4 Bn. The issue then becomes covering it up. It goes back to Nixon and Kissinger not providing a mechanism to insure we got them back, Reagan and Bush Sr. sweeping it under the rug and to Kerry in the early 90's covering it up.

Neo
02-28-2004, 07:33 PM
A classic example of greatly altering, adding fiction to and exaggerating what is at its core true.

Yes some people were "left behind" or unaccounted for and for a variety of reasons. Some political and some for other reasons. Their numbers? IMO small, very small.

The single greatest category of "left behind" or inexplicably or suspiciously unaccounted for after the war? Back seat guys: WSO and RIO officers in shot down fighter jets. Some of those guys made it to the USSR--IMO. Perhaps so too did some Wild Weasel pilots

But there were none of the "Missing in Action" or "Rambo II" type scenarios, IMO.

But in in WW II and Korea, there were also groups of combat people IMO "left behind."

I would speculate such has always been true of any war.

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