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Steve
04-07-2003, 01:13 PM
WWII:  Won by the U.S. and its allies.  Germany rebuilt; billions of dollars poured into the Continent through the Marshall plan.

The Cold War:  The U.S. maintains hundreds of thousands of soldiers, hundreds of military installations, and billions of dollars of weaponry in Europe, to counter the Soviet threat.  Germany is a major benefactor of military spending.  At peace, the European economy thrives, going through ups and downs, as any economy will do, but generally modernizing, growing, and diversifying.  Europe enjoys much of the technological innovation created by the U.S. computer industry and the Japanese consumer electronics industry (Japan having benefitted in a major way, after WWII, also).

The Governments:  Relatively free from the threat of actual warfare, and under the influence of reasonably stable economies, the governments of the various European countries begin addressing social issues and strengthening economic ties to each other.  Labor is free to move where it is needed; capital follows.

The Fall of the Soviet Union:  Freed from the threat of Soviet invasions, most European governments immediately demobilize and drastically cut defense spending.  The U.S. picks up the slack.  The money once spent on defense is used to rebuild the former DDR and is invested in the former Eastern Bloc nations.  Poland and Hungary flourish.  Ethnic tensions break out in the former Yugoslavia.  After much waffling, the governments of Europe let the U.S. largely settle matters, thus preventing those governments from having to spend too much money.

Today:  The European Union is nearly borderless.  Commerce, banking, labor, and tourists freely flow from one region to the next.  A single currency eases all such transactions.  Simplified trade regulations, while still being worked on in some areas, greatly ease trade.  From the Baltic to the Mediterranean the EU presents a unified economy with guaranteed  rights for all citizens

There is little doubt in my mind that without the stabilizing influence of the United States, the EU simply would not exist.  It seems like a mighty strange way to become a hegemon:  creating a rich, powerful, potential competitor such as the EU.

 

Domh
04-07-2003, 01:18 PM
Competition is essential to the long term growth of a free enterprise capitalist economy. Creating a large competitor that can just barely be controlled is an ideal arrangement for the USA.

Sierra Mike
04-07-2003, 01:42 PM
LOL...no kidding!

SM

halldor
04-11-2003, 12:23 PM
A single currency eases all such transactions.

Though Britain, Denmark and Sweden do not use the euro.

Domh
04-11-2003, 12:39 PM
Quite deliberately in Britain. They seem rather clear about whether they want to look east or west seeking economic and political alliances.

Denmark and Sweden I assume just have it so damn good on their own that they dont want to mix it up.

Steve
04-11-2003, 12:52 PM
This is rather fascinating. I thought my post to be somewhat inflammatory and rather expected the more nationalistic citizens of the EU to point out the errors in my reasoning.

Instead, it's greeted with a very mild reaction.

Domh
04-11-2003, 01:28 PM
There are no nationalistic citizens of the EU.

They give less of a shit than we do - its an experiment and a powerplay and an inconvenience and pain in the ass to many average folk in varied countries in Europe.

I dont think the average Pierre could give 2 craps about the EU and certainly not enough to be proud or not proud of it.

Your forgetting too, Steven, that we are talking about the bloody Europeans here. Sensible and predictable across the continent - they aint.

;)

halldor
04-11-2003, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by Domhain
Denmark and Sweden I assume just have it so damn good on their own that they dont want to mix it up.

Opposition to the euro in Denmark and Sweden comes from a number of political groupings, including the Greens and Communists. There's an upcoming referendum on the euro in Sweden scheduled for September 2003. In Britain, there's pressure on the government to delay any referendum until after the next general election in 2005.

Basilio
04-13-2003, 05:38 PM
Well, the United States for its own economic interests need strong European economies so they could maintain trade with Europe. Afterall, not long before the US was emerging from a depression. The US did not create the EU, the member states did starting in the 1950s with the Coal and Steel union. I don't know if the US actually championed an European trading bloc per se, it could be.... Does anyone have any information about that?
I wouldn't necessarily agree that Europeans do not care about the EU. Some do, some don't. They need a lot of work to build enthusiasm for it, but there are people who are committed to the idea and support it, there is a somewhat embryonic Euro consciousness among some of the states and peoples. But there is still a lack of cohesion when it comes to global issues except when it comes to Kyoto, labour regulations, borders, and human rights issues and policing the Balkans.


Basilio

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