Michael Moore

[ShinyTop]

I guess he could not get any lower in my mind than he was, but his slap at the people who honored him is typical of this pulicity seeking cancer on America. What a piece of ____

[ethics]

He said something? I am not even watching the AA, I've heard there would be some political statements and we all know what I think of anyone who makes them from the celebrity point of view.

[ShinyTop]

Sorry, double post.

[ShinyTop]

He did his shtick, unelected, lying to the country, no reason for war. Audience booed and he kept on and smiled. And this was after he had invited the other nominees to stand there as though this POS was speaking for everyone.

[ShinyTop]

Now there was a man who did it right. The gentleman who won for Best Actor from the Pianist, my apologies, I do not know his name, stood up and wished for a quick and peaceful conclusion and mentioned his friend in the war. That was an apolitical statement that could be supported by one and all and met with a standing ovation. Mr. Moore, if you are reading this, that man had something you cannot even spell, CLASS.

[Sir Joseph]

Adrien Brody.

I just tuned in by that win. I think he did a service to all. Eased my anger a bit. When he shut up the orchestra, I could only imagine what went through the people's minds.

[EMIG]

The president of the academy made a similar statement, wishing for a quick conclusion and supporting the troops, without getting into specifics on his views of the matter.

I loved Steve Martin's crack about the Teamsters helping Moore into the trunk of his limo. I only wish it were true.

It's sad that propaganda piece was even considered a documentary, let alone nominated. It's cheapened that Oscar.

[IamZed]

I tuned in just in time to catch the best actor. I had read someone complaining about political statements and got curious. I never watch them anymore. So when Adrien Brody got up and started to bring it up I thought Oh no, here we go. He was good. Short and positive wish for a conclusion.
I certainly do understand the concerns over terrorism at the event. I never saw so many stars on one stage at one time. Do they do that every year? Trot out like every single living Oscar recipient?

[ShinyTop]

No, not every year, this was the 75th Anniversary of the Oscars.

[Copzilla]

They did last year, all who wanted to sit there. I was surprised at some of them, having not followed the Academy in a while, wondering what they won for.

[RRedline]

I rarely watch these types of things because I really don't care much about multi-millionaires trying to outdo each other. However, I tuned in just in time to catch Michael Moore accepting his award. Actually, it was more Moore shoving all the other nominees up on stage with him so that he could speak for all of them, and the rest of the country, as he always does. He made references to fictitious this and fictitious that, then he commented about a "war that we don
t want." Who is this "we?" I was about to throw my drink at the television set after the crowd started cheering him on, but then I was happy to hear plenty of booing to even it out. And this coming from a generally liberal audience. And was it just me, or did they cut him off short?

The best part of it all was when he used the word "fictition." I'm not joking...those of you who taped it can verify that he did something that he so often criticizes Bush for doing. Maybe Moore and the Limp Bizkit guy should get together and write their own dictionary.

And seriously, haven't the Florida votes been recounted many times since Bush was elected? And didn't every recount put Bush in the lead? Why does Michael Moore keep going on and on about this?

[ShinyTop]

Because facts don't serve his agenda.

[IamZed]

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[ethics]

Found this description (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/422bixcr.asp) of what went on:

I've invited my fellow documentary nominees on the stage. We would like to--they're here in solidarity with me because we like non-fiction. We like non-fiction and we live in fictitious times. We live in a time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons, whether it's the fictition [sic] of duct tape, or the fictitious [sic] of orange alert. We are against this war Mr. Bush! Shame on you Mr. Bush! Shame on you! And any time you've got the pope and Dixie Chicks against you, your time is up! Thank you very much!!!"

While Moore's tirade isn't worth dissection, the crowd's reaction is. The first section, about the 2000 election, received loud applause. The section on duct tape and orange alert received a mix of cheering and jeering and by the time he finished with his references to the Vatican and the Dixie Chicks, he was drowned in a chorus of boos.

During most of this the camera showed not Moore, but the audience. In a move that must have tied Gil Cates and ICM in negotiations for a week, the producers went out of their way to show America that the stars weren't clapping. Harrison Ford sat with his arms folded, Calista Flockhart angrily pursed her lips, and Adrian Brody looked on condescendingly. For the most part, those seated on the orchestra level sat on their hands.

So who was booing Michael Moore? The people in the balconies. At the Oscars, the orchestra level is reserved for the glitterati and the upper tiers for the riff-raff. So only "normal" people were booing Moore. Which begs the question, why didn't the stars boo him? Why simply sit there, the equivalent of voting "present" on a resolution in Congress? Clearly, the answer is that they <I>wanted</I> to cheer. Just not as much as they want that seventh house in Maui.

[joseftu]

Originally posted by ethics
Calista Flockhart angrily pursed her lips

Now <b>there's</b> a sight I'm glad I missed!

[ethics]

Then you don't know what you are missing!!! ;)

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[rockotman]

She is just a chirrripping bird, ethics

[Scott]

Originally posted by ethics
Then you don't know what you are missing!!! ;)

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me likey:love:


...........and i'm not going to start on this Moore :friggin: . it'll end up being a string of :friggin: ,:friggin: ,:friggin: , and:friggin:

[ethics]

I think this (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/24/oscar/main545821.shtml) speaks volumes:

&nbsp;The wartime Academy Awards telecast on ABC Sunday night was the least-watched Oscar ceremony since Nielsen Media Research began keeping records in 1974.

[IamZed]

That shows you how much that red carpet counted for.

[Misu]

Ethics, maybe other stars didn't react because they saw what happened to the Dixie Chicks and they knew they were being filmed?

[Coot]

I'm fairly certain the lowest ratings in the history of Oscars was due to an unspoken boycott. There was no way in hell it was going to be shown in this house ;)

[rockotman]

Begrudgingly, it was on here, because my wife and daughter are in love with the movie "Chicago". I caught the end of Mrs. Moore's (hey I can call him Missus; he refers to the Prez as Guv, right?) tirade, and heard the booing.

OTOH, I think the low ratings are partly attributable to the fact that millions of Americans were glued to the TV watching reports on the war.

[ethics]

Originally posted by Misu
Ethics, maybe other stars didn't react because they saw what happened to the Dixie Chicks and they knew they were being filmed?

That whole Dixie Chicks ban and boycott was overblown (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=17757). The Rolling Stone Magazine had a good article on the issue.&nbsp;This was also released almost a week prior to the awards.

Besides, The Academy Awards are not the same as Grammy. It's one thing--and much easier-- to boycott a singer, but how do you boycott an actor or an actress?

I don't&nbsp;think even Hanoi Jane was successfully&nbsp;shunned? Then again, I wasn't even in this country and what she did is&nbsp;very different than a slip of the tongue and the content. &nbsp;

[mikepd]

I have not watched Hollywood award ceremonies in a long time. They used to be about the industry, the entertainers and those who were behind the scenes. Now more often than not, it is used as a platform for political statements. If they want to make such statements, why don't they spend some of their money and buy ads? That would help the economy while getting their message out.

[Neo]

Michael Moore is an American by birth. So am I. And I’m ashamed that Michael Moore is an American. He reinforced my beliefs last night with his Oscar acceptance speech for “Bowling for Columbine.”

I often disagree politically with Susan Sarandon, George Cloony, Jane Fonda, Martin Sheen, and many other movie celebrities who superficially share many of Moore's professed social and political beliefs. But unlike the totally self-serving, tasteless, insensitive and ego driven Moore, I consider them sincere, patriotic, loyal Americans who both love their country and want what they perceive is best for it.

Last night’s show complete with Moore’s “speech” was broadcast to the troops in Iraqi theater of war. What do you think they thought of Moore's comments about the "fictitious election", "fictitious president" and "fictitious war?"

In response to Moore's comments and even in the most anti-Bush and liberal of audiences, the Hollywood elite, the loud boos drowned out the few cheers. Even the stagehands at the Kodak Theater were booing this boob! One stagehand was so angry by Moore’s remarks that he had to be physically restrained as Moore left the stage.

The orchestra shouldn’t have silenced Moore’s tasteless rant with music! Better they should have sicked a couple of Rottweilers on him! Now that would have been more appropriate! “Oscar winner mauled by mad dogs on national TV! Film at 11!”

Later in the telecast “Best Actor” Winner Adrien Brody eloquently demonstrated the correct and sensitive way to express opposition to the war. But then Brody had what Moore lacked—compassion, integrity and class!

Afterward, Moore said that he only made his comments because he was an honest and sincere guy. I don’t know about you but I never trust anyone who has to tell me how honest and sincere they are.

Michael Moore professes to have a love for many causes in his heart. He lies. There is little room in Moore's heart for anything but Moore.

[Coot]

Here we see Michael Moore backstage after his acceptance speech showing us all just how many friends he has left in the country.

[melpomene]

Can i sneak in here, and say, that i thought Michael Moore's acceptance speech was gutsy and poignant.

ok, go on, throw tomatoes at me.

But i think anybody who can stand up and have his say, knowing the huge backlash he was going to get, has my stamp of approval. :thumbsup:

[rockotman]

Or it can just be another case of the old Hollywood saying that "any publicity is good publicity".

[Pyrion]

When a fugitive pedophile outside of the country (Roman Polanski) wins an Academy Award, you know there's something wrong with the system. That and Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers got shafted for some dogs**t title "Chicago".

Given that the AA's ratings were the lowest yet, and that more people tuned in to the war coverage, you can see quite clearly what most people care about. Michael Moore spouted off? If it didn't hit the headlines I wouldn't have known of it, since I don't watch these stupid "pat eachother on the backs" awards ceremonies anyway. :)

[Pyrion]

By the way, I feel justice would be served if they locked away Polanski's award and sent him a letter saying "you want it? come get it". If he's dumb enough to fly back into the 'States, let the LAPD arrest him on sight.

[ethics]

Originally posted by melpomene
Can i sneak in here, and say, that i thought Michael Moore's acceptance speech was gutsy and poignant.



Well, it was gutsy, I doubt anyone can dispute that. Poignant? Jury is still out in my mind. ;)

[Neo]

Originally posted by ethics
Well, it was gutsy, I doubt anyone can dispute that. Poignant? Jury is still out in my mind. ;) ethics, I disagree that it was gusty. Moore markets and sells himself as a Mother Jones type of voice in the wilderness. A maverick fighting against the evil establishment. A person who is not afraid of controversy. A person who when asked afterward why he did it replied because he his an "honest and sincere guy."

As we all know anyone who has to tell us that he is an honest and sincere guy is a liar. We would know that and he would have no need to tell us, unless it was a lie--which it is with Moore.

No, it wasn't gusty. It was literally a gutless commercial self-promoting and disruptive commercial speech by a blight on artistic freedom and integrity.

There is little room in Moore's heart for anything but Moore.

I am from America and I am ashamed that Michael Moore is from here also.

[Robert Harris]

Originally posted by Pyrion
By the way, I feel justice would be served if they locked away Polanski's award and sent him a letter saying "you want it? come get it". If he's dumb enough to fly back into the 'States, let the LAPD arrest him on sight.

Don't be so hostile. He was, at least, considerate enough to do her in the butt so she wouldn't get pregnant. :)

If interested, transcript of her testimony can be found at:

http://www.moviecitynews.com/Notepad/2003/030311a_tue.html

[RRedline]

Originally posted by Misu
Ethics, maybe other stars didn't react because they saw what happened to the Dixie Chicks and they knew they were being filmed? I have to agree with this line of thinking. I bet that most actors and actresses are wise enough to keep their personal views about the President and the war to themselves. Whether they chose to visibly cheer Moore on or to boo him off the stage, they would have alienated some of their fans. I just don't see how speaking out on anything even remotely controversial can help an entertainer's career. And let's keep in mind that although there are lots of entertainers who are vocally opposed to anything "Bush," the majority keep their opinions to themselves. It is a very small percentage who choose to use their media notoriety to preach their opinions.

I'm sure there were lots of people in the audience who were silently agreeing with and disagreeing with Michael Moore's performance.

[RRedline]

Originally posted by rockotman
Or it can just be another case of the old Hollywood saying that "any publicity is good publicity". That is exactly it! If he had chosen to show class and keep unnecessary comments to himself these past few years, he would not be nearly as well-known as he is now. I probably wouldn't even know who he is or what he does if he didn't behave this way.

Where most entertainers are afaid to be outspoken, Michael Moore thrives on it because it is what has made him famous. He is a director too? Hmmm...

[mikeky]

Originally posted by Robert Harris
Don't be so hostile. He was, at least, considerate enough to do her in the butt so she wouldn't get pregnant. :)

If interested, transcript of her testimony can be found at:

http://www.moviecitynews.com/Notepad/2003/030311a_tue.html
Wow, I'd read that the charges were exaggerated, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

But what Polanski lacks in class and judgement, <a href="http://starbulletin.com/2003/03/20/features/story1.html">Samantha Geimer</a> seems on the surface to make up for it.

[EMIG]

Classy lady.

I was also misled as to what actually happened. Fifty years seems too little now for what that scumbag did.

[mikepd]

Aaron Brown said he's going to have Michael Moore on his show tonight at 10pm. Should be interesting. I remember when he interviewed Scott Ritter over the flap generated by charges he tried to lure a 16yo girl for sex over the internet. Ritter would not answer any question about the issue and that was that. Brown would not back down and made Ritter look bad by inference. Moore could be in over his head this time.

[ShinyTop]

Not meaning to revive an old thread but I wondered about Moore's award for Documentary, wondered if Hollywood had not stretched the term for a fellow enemy of Bush. Read this article (http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html) for the expose of Bowling for Columbine as a documentary.

[Neo]

Shiny, great link on Moore, the person I love to hate. A total phony. He cares only about Michale Moore, nothing else.

[Coot]

You're preaching to the choir here Shiny...I actually sat through not quite the first 30 minutes of that POS. Hell, as a propoganda piece, it's not even thinly veiled.

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[limeygit]

Question #37 on the GA entrance exam...

Micheal Moore is to Shiny Top
as
Politically Correct is to _______

[Neo]

Several days ago Moore wrote an article published in the LA Times Op-Ed section giving his version of the events on stage when he accepted his Oscar. The whole article was crap but the best part was his explanation for all the booing.

He claims that a few people in the balcony section begin to boo him and in response large numbers of the audience begin to boo them and therefore the majority of those booing were actually supporting Moore.:friggin:hole!